Tuesday, May 11, 2010

Honda Reflex Group Digest Number 4824

Messages In This Digest (17 Messages)

Messages

1a.

Tire pressure indicators - from the S/Wing forum

Posted by: "freddhardeng" imtlog@gmail.com   freddhardeng

Mon May 10, 2010 8:43 am (PDT)



I just posted this to the S/Wing forum but thought it would be just as useful here.

Recently I purchased some 'tire pressure indicators' from Wal-Mart. Checking tire pressures on my scoots before each ride is a pain in the butt sometimes and I was looking for an easy way out.

These indicators are simply short extensions that screw onto the valve stem and show colors for different pressures. They come in different pressure ranges. I figured a simple glance was a whole lot quicker and easier than using a pressure gauge before EACH ride.

Anyway, I put these on my scoots and never gave it another thought. The very next day I checked the color and since everything was good I rode the S/Wing to the grocery and went shopping and the bike handled normally. An hour or so later I loaded the topbox up and noticed a bit of 'trouble' getting on and situated - the bike seemed to be 'heavy' and I first thought the reason was the groceries.

On the 7 mile trip home the bike continued to feel 'heavy' and 'sloppy' and felt somewhat 'draggy' so I rode only about 45 mph or so. After getting home I then checked tire pressures again - and it seems that the rear tire was COMPLETELY FLAT! That's right, NO air pressure, not a damn bit! To tell the truth I didn't think this was possible - to ride with a completely flat rear OEM tire. The tire is a relatively low mileage Hoop and and after re-inflation showed no signs of damage, although it was hot as a firecracker after riding it 7 miles flat... I suppose I'm extremely lucky the bead didn't break!

Also I should have looked at the indicator to check the pressure before riding from the store, but hey, it had only been a short while since I parked it, right? The color indicator was working, but the internals of the device simply allowed all pressure to leak out while parked at the store. Had I simply glanced at it I would have seen there was no pressure, but even that simple glance was just too much trouble I suppose. Dummass...

Needless to say, those damn pressure indicators have been removed from both the Reflex and S/Wing and a pressure gauge now hangs around the throttles that has to be removed to ride. Using the 'remove before flight' checklist idea.

Please take note and learn from my mistake!

1b.

Re: Tire pressure indicators - from the S/Wing forum

Posted by: "csburridge" csburridge@yahoo.com   csburridge

Mon May 10, 2010 11:37 am (PDT)




>
> Needless to say, those damn pressure indicators have been removed from both the Reflex and S/Wing and a pressure gauge now hangs around the throttles that has to be removed to ride. Using the 'remove before flight' checklist idea.
>
> Please take note and learn from my mistake!
>
//////////////////////////////////////////////////
Hi Fred,

I've never been a big fan of anything that goes onto the valve stem for just the reasons you have stated, but I do like the idea of hanging a tire gauge from the throttle. It's simple and a great reminder. Thank you!
Ride Safe

Craig Burridge

2a.

Re: {Disarmed} Honda Reflex Group Re: Another reminder that should b

Posted by: "George Giftos" gcgiftos@utmi.net   gcgiftos

Mon May 10, 2010 9:01 am (PDT)



I've never heard of a spark pl;ug making noise, but I have heard of the cap coming off and the spark jumping the gap under the spark plug boot.

Anyway, glad you solved the problem.

George

On May 10, 2010, at 8:46 AM, liviu_m2002 wrote:

> Ok, I changed the spark plug and it seems ok. Didn't hear the sound no more, I even did a test with the new plug to see if it works and it sparks where it should spark.
>
> Guess the spark I changed was faulty or something.
>
> Thanks again! Ride safe!
>
> --- In hondareflexowners@yahoogroups.com, "csburridge" <csburridge@...> wrote:
> >
> >
> > > Very useful advice with T-CLOCS , I'll try to keep that in mind.
> > > The spark plug is new, made only about a hundred or so kilometers so that should not be a problem. The only odd thing with the spark plug was when I first installed it some smoke went out the exhaust.
> > > Could the spark plug be defective from the start?
> > > Tomorrow night I will try to see if I can see anything around the plug.
> > > I am still wondering, could I have done something wrong when adjusting the valves? I did what the manual said and I think if I would have done something wrong I should have noticed it ( it should have been obvious ) right?
> > >
> > > Thanks for the advice !
> > >
> > /////////////////////////////////////////////////////////
> > Hi,
> >
> > If you had miss adjusted the valves, you would know by the really poor performance from the bike, but since the only problem you had was a squirrelly feeling because off low tire pressure, I think you did the adjustment just fine. Plus you had the manual in front of you.
> >
> > If your Reflex can haul around two people with ten pounds of air pressure in the back tire(I assume that problem went away with the proper tire pressure), than you know it's working well. Proof positive that the Reflex is one tough little kick arse bike.
> > Ride Safe
> >
> > Craig Burridge
> >
>
>
>
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3a.

Re: Rear Wheel Removal

Posted by: "BruceK" bruce@aplusservices.com   bruceakoehler

Mon May 10, 2010 11:59 am (PDT)



Parking brake, foot brake, pipe through rear wheel spokes, etc. etc.

--- In hondareflexowners@yahoogroups.com, "Norm N" <rb_lifer@...> wrote:
>
> Bruce, In this file in "files" how do you keep the rear tire from turning when removing the rear axle lug nut? Is there a secret to doing this?
> http://f1.grp.yahoofs.com/v1/QBTnS0BKnqMT4HBih8RKPcdaO_tuqxwBtWZIvnV7sZKsPYDThiWF5kEtfIeszswKNxo242LA5c49co3GH5fMzxPzoweAYA/Wheel%20Removal%20Rear.txt
>

4a.

Re: Reflex not starting up, help...

Posted by: "BruceK" bruce@aplusservices.com   bruceakoehler

Mon May 10, 2010 12:08 pm (PDT)



There are two air inlets on the left side - above the passenger foot peg. The upper of those two is nearest air inlet to the air cleaner - the closest EXTERNAL POINT into which you can squirt starting fluid. It's vapors will be drawn into the engine when cranked...

Starting Fluid is a "wonderful" low-cost troubleshooting tool, with which you can quickly identify whether a starting/running problem is fuel system related.

Hope that helps

Bruce Koehler - the Koehlerizer
Santa Cruz, CA

--- In hondareflexowners@yahoogroups.com, "Carlos Moran" <losmoran@...> wrote:
>
> Bruce,
>
> Can you be a little more specific on number 2?
>
> There is a vent that has dual holes with a black plastic cover inside the
> vent and there is the spark plug access vent with the little pressure clip?
> Where do I spray the starting fluid?
>
> It's hard to see or figure out how to remove some of the panels to get a
> better look at things.
>
>
>
> Thanks
>
>
>
> From: hondareflexowners@yahoogroups.com
> [mailto:hondareflexowners@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of BruceK
> Sent: Thursday, May 06, 2010 9:43 PM
> To: hondareflexowners@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Honda Reflex Group Re: Reflex not starting up, help...
>
>
>
>
>
> Each of these is an INDIVIDUAL action - try one before you move on to the
> next:
>
> 1. JUMP start it - hook jumper cables to a NON-RUNNING car. The Reflex
> ignition needs lots of volts - a low battery will not start it (and a
> battery tender is only made to MAINTAIN the charge on an already OK
> battery).
>
> 2. Spray some Starting Fluid in the upper "vent" above the footboard on the
> kickstand-side of the scooter - try again.
>
> 3. Remove the little cover just in front of that vent, and remove and
> inspect the sparkplug. While it is OUT, crank the engine and see if you
> (hopefully) smell gas in the expelled air. Inspect the plug - clean or
> change - as appropriate.
>
> Post back if you need more.
> Post back anyway - with your results - that is the group "compensation" for
> the free advice - so that all will benefit.
>
> Welcome to the group!
>
> Bruce Koehler
>
> --- In hondareflexowners@yahoogroups.com
> <mailto:hondareflexowners%40yahoogroups.com> , "losmoran@" <losmoran@>
> wrote:
> >
> > Hi All,
> > I am a new member here, My wife owns a 2004 Reflex that has been sitting
> for about 9-10 months and it will not start. I tried starting it last week
> and trhe battery was very week... I ordered a battery tender and the battery
> charged fine but after three or four attempts at starting it began to get
> week... I'm hoping for some guidance in stating it. The engine and fuel
> lines are difficult to get to and before I ventured into taking it apart to
> maybe try some starting fluid I thought I'd check here... Any suggestions
> other than the mechanic?
> >
> > Thank you
> > Los.
> >
>
>
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>

4b.

Re: Reflex not starting up, help...

Posted by: "Ira K" bigirakay@yahoo.com   bigirakay

Mon May 10, 2010 12:49 pm (PDT)



   It is also very dangerous.  If the  Reflex backfires, a fire will start in the air cleaner.  Always keep a fire extinguisher  handy when using starting fluid.

--- On Mon, 5/10/10, BruceK <bruce@aplusservices.com> wrote:

From: BruceK <bruce@aplusservices.com>
Subject: Honda Reflex Group Re: Reflex not starting up, help...
To: hondareflexowners@yahoogroups.com
Date: Monday, May 10, 2010, 3:08 PM

 

There are two air inlets on the left side - above the passenger foot peg. The upper of those two is nearest air inlet to the air cleaner - the closest EXTERNAL POINT into which you can squirt starting fluid. It's vapors will be drawn into the engine when cranked...

Starting Fluid is a "wonderful" low-cost troubleshooting tool, with which you can quickly identify whether a starting/running problem is fuel system related.

Hope that helps

Bruce Koehler - the Koehlerizer

Santa Cruz, CA

--- In hondareflexowners@ yahoogroups. com, "Carlos Moran" <losmoran@.. .> wrote:

>

> Bruce,

>

> Can you be a little more specific on number 2?

>

> There is a vent that has dual holes with a black plastic cover inside the

> vent and there is the spark plug access vent with the little pressure clip?

> Where do I spray the starting fluid?

>

> It's hard to see or figure out how to remove some of the panels to get a

> better look at things.

>

>

>

> Thanks

>

>

>

> From: hondareflexowners@ yahoogroups. com

> [mailto:hondareflexowners@ yahoogroups. com] On Behalf Of BruceK

> Sent: Thursday, May 06, 2010 9:43 PM

> To: hondareflexowners@ yahoogroups. com

> Subject: Honda Reflex Group Re: Reflex not starting up, help...

>

>

>

>

>

> Each of these is an INDIVIDUAL action - try one before you move on to the

> next:

>

> 1. JUMP start it - hook jumper cables to a NON-RUNNING car. The Reflex

> ignition needs lots of volts - a low battery will not start it (and a

> battery tender is only made to MAINTAIN the charge on an already OK

> battery).

>

> 2. Spray some Starting Fluid in the upper "vent" above the footboard on the

> kickstand-side of the scooter - try again.

>

> 3. Remove the little cover just in front of that vent, and remove and

> inspect the sparkplug. While it is OUT, crank the engine and see if you

> (hopefully) smell gas in the expelled air. Inspect the plug - clean or

> change - as appropriate.

>

> Post back if you need more.

> Post back anyway - with your results - that is the group "compensation" for

> the free advice - so that all will benefit.

>

> Welcome to the group!

>

> Bruce Koehler

>

> --- In hondareflexowners@ yahoogroups. com

> <mailto:hondareflex owners%40yahoogr oups.com> , "losmoran@" <losmoran@>

> wrote:

> >

> > Hi All,

> > I am a new member here, My wife owns a 2004 Reflex that has been sitting

> for about 9-10 months and it will not start. I tried starting it last week

> and trhe battery was very week... I ordered a battery tender and the battery

> charged fine but after three or four attempts at starting it began to get

> week... I'm hoping for some guidance in stating it. The engine and fuel

> lines are difficult to get to and before I ventured into taking it apart to

> maybe try some starting fluid I thought I'd check here... Any suggestions

> other than the mechanic?

> >

> > Thank you

> > Los.

> >

>

>

>

>

>

> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

>

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4c.

Re: Reflex not starting up, help...

Posted by: "Carlos Moran" losmoran@bellsouth.net   losmoran@bellsouth.net

Mon May 10, 2010 2:41 pm (PDT)



Thank you. Going to try it now..

From: hondareflexowners@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:hondareflexowners@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of BruceK
Sent: Monday, May 10, 2010 3:08 PM
To: hondareflexowners@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Honda Reflex Group Re: Reflex not starting up, help...

There are two air inlets on the left side - above the passenger foot peg.
The upper of those two is nearest air inlet to the air cleaner - the closest
EXTERNAL POINT into which you can squirt starting fluid. It's vapors will be
drawn into the engine when cranked...

Starting Fluid is a "wonderful" low-cost troubleshooting tool, with which
you can quickly identify whether a starting/running problem is fuel system
related.

Hope that helps

Bruce Koehler - the Koehlerizer
Santa Cruz, CA

--- In hondareflexowners@yahoogroups.com
<mailto:hondareflexowners%40yahoogroups.com> , "Carlos Moran" <losmoran@...>
wrote:
>
> Bruce,
>
> Can you be a little more specific on number 2?
>
> There is a vent that has dual holes with a black plastic cover inside the
> vent and there is the spark plug access vent with the little pressure
clip?
> Where do I spray the starting fluid?
>
> It's hard to see or figure out how to remove some of the panels to get a
> better look at things.
>
>
>
> Thanks
>
>
>
> From: hondareflexowners@yahoogroups.com
<mailto:hondareflexowners%40yahoogroups.com>
> [mailto:hondareflexowners@yahoogroups.com
<mailto:hondareflexowners%40yahoogroups.com> ] On Behalf Of BruceK
> Sent: Thursday, May 06, 2010 9:43 PM
> To: hondareflexowners@yahoogroups.com
<mailto:hondareflexowners%40yahoogroups.com>
> Subject: Honda Reflex Group Re: Reflex not starting up, help...
>
>
>
>
>
> Each of these is an INDIVIDUAL action - try one before you move on to the
> next:
>
> 1. JUMP start it - hook jumper cables to a NON-RUNNING car. The Reflex
> ignition needs lots of volts - a low battery will not start it (and a
> battery tender is only made to MAINTAIN the charge on an already OK
> battery).
>
> 2. Spray some Starting Fluid in the upper "vent" above the footboard on
the
> kickstand-side of the scooter - try again.
>
> 3. Remove the little cover just in front of that vent, and remove and
> inspect the sparkplug. While it is OUT, crank the engine and see if you
> (hopefully) smell gas in the expelled air. Inspect the plug - clean or
> change - as appropriate.
>
> Post back if you need more.
> Post back anyway - with your results - that is the group "compensation"
for
> the free advice - so that all will benefit.
>
> Welcome to the group!
>
> Bruce Koehler
>
> --- In hondareflexowners@yahoogroups.com
<mailto:hondareflexowners%40yahoogroups.com>
> <mailto:hondareflexowners%40yahoogroups.com> , "losmoran@" <losmoran@>
> wrote:
> >
> > Hi All,
> > I am a new member here, My wife owns a 2004 Reflex that has been sitting
> for about 9-10 months and it will not start. I tried starting it last week
> and trhe battery was very week... I ordered a battery tender and the
battery
> charged fine but after three or four attempts at starting it began to get
> week... I'm hoping for some guidance in stating it. The engine and fuel
> lines are difficult to get to and before I ventured into taking it apart
to
> maybe try some starting fluid I thought I'd check here... Any suggestions
> other than the mechanic?
> >
> > Thank you
> > Los.
> >
>
>
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>

[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

4d.

Re: Reflex not starting up, help...

Posted by: "Carlos Moran" losmoran@bellsouth.net   losmoran@bellsouth.net

Mon May 10, 2010 2:56 pm (PDT)



Will do, Will baking soda work, or a real fire extinguisher? BTW, I just ordered a service manual from helm for 48 bucks in the meantime I need to know what type and mixture of coolant to use. The reservoir seems it's way below the low mark.

Thanks

From: hondareflexowners@yahoogroups.com [mailto:hondareflexowners@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Ira K
Sent: Monday, May 10, 2010 3:49 PM
To: hondareflexowners@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: Honda Reflex Group Re: Reflex not starting up, help...

It is also very dangerous. If the Reflex backfires, a fire will start in the air cleaner. Always keep a fire extinguisher handy when using starting fluid.

--- On Mon, 5/10/10, BruceK <bruce@aplusservices.com <mailto:bruce%40aplusservices.com> > wrote:

From: BruceK <bruce@aplusservices.com <mailto:bruce%40aplusservices.com> >
Subject: Honda Reflex Group Re: Reflex not starting up, help...
To: hondareflexowners@yahoogroups.com <mailto:hondareflexowners%40yahoogroups.com>
Date: Monday, May 10, 2010, 3:08 PM

There are two air inlets on the left side - above the passenger foot peg. The upper of those two is nearest air inlet to the air cleaner - the closest EXTERNAL POINT into which you can squirt starting fluid. It's vapors will be drawn into the engine when cranked...

Starting Fluid is a "wonderful" low-cost troubleshooting tool, with which you can quickly identify whether a starting/running problem is fuel system related.

Hope that helps

Bruce Koehler - the Koehlerizer

Santa Cruz, CA

--- In hondareflexowners@ yahoogroups. com, "Carlos Moran" <losmoran@.. .> wrote:

>

> Bruce,

>

> Can you be a little more specific on number 2?

>

> There is a vent that has dual holes with a black plastic cover inside the

> vent and there is the spark plug access vent with the little pressure clip?

> Where do I spray the starting fluid?

>

> It's hard to see or figure out how to remove some of the panels to get a

> better look at things.

>

>

>

> Thanks

>

>

>

> From: hondareflexowners@ yahoogroups. com

> [mailto:hondareflexowners@ yahoogroups. com] On Behalf Of BruceK

> Sent: Thursday, May 06, 2010 9:43 PM

> To: hondareflexowners@ yahoogroups. com

> Subject: Honda Reflex Group Re: Reflex not starting up, help...

>

>

>

>

>

> Each of these is an INDIVIDUAL action - try one before you move on to the

> next:

>

> 1. JUMP start it - hook jumper cables to a NON-RUNNING car. The Reflex

> ignition needs lots of volts - a low battery will not start it (and a

> battery tender is only made to MAINTAIN the charge on an already OK

> battery).

>

> 2. Spray some Starting Fluid in the upper "vent" above the footboard on the

> kickstand-side of the scooter - try again.

>

> 3. Remove the little cover just in front of that vent, and remove and

> inspect the sparkplug. While it is OUT, crank the engine and see if you

> (hopefully) smell gas in the expelled air. Inspect the plug - clean or

> change - as appropriate.

>

> Post back if you need more.

> Post back anyway - with your results - that is the group "compensation" for

> the free advice - so that all will benefit.

>

> Welcome to the group!

>

> Bruce Koehler

>

> --- In hondareflexowners@ yahoogroups. com

> <mailto:hondareflex owners%40yahoogr oups.com> , "losmoran@" <losmoran@>

> wrote:

> >

> > Hi All,

> > I am a new member here, My wife owns a 2004 Reflex that has been sitting

> for about 9-10 months and it will not start. I tried starting it last week

> and trhe battery was very week... I ordered a battery tender and the battery

> charged fine but after three or four attempts at starting it began to get

> week... I'm hoping for some guidance in stating it. The engine and fuel

> lines are difficult to get to and before I ventured into taking it apart to

> maybe try some starting fluid I thought I'd check here... Any suggestions

> other than the mechanic?

> >

> > Thank you

> > Los.

> >

>

>

>

>

>

> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

>

[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

4e.

Re: Reflex not starting up, help...

Posted by: "BruceK" bruce@aplusservices.com   bruceakoehler

Mon May 10, 2010 7:00 pm (PDT)



Reflex coolant has two ABSOLUTE requirements:

1. No silicates
2. SPECIFIES for ALUMINUM engines (Reflex cylinder head is aluminum).

Find a coolant (like some Prestones) with those two requirments and you're OK. DO NOT USE DEXCOOL.

Hope that helps

Bruce Koehler - the Koehlerizer
Santa Cruz, CA

PS - my personal opinion is that as long as you use SHORT 1 - 2 second bursts of Starting Fluid, you have no risk of fire (especially since you are squirting it into the vent - not directly saturating the air filter). Also all STOCK (not K&N) air filters are extremely fire retardant.

--- In hondareflexowners@yahoogroups.com, "Carlos Moran" <losmoran@...> wrote:
>
> Will do, Will baking soda work, or a real fire extinguisher? BTW, I just ordered a service manual from helm for 48 bucks in the meantime I need to know what type and mixture of coolant to use. The reservoir seems it’s way below the low mark.
>
>
>
> Thanks
>
>
>
> From: hondareflexowners@yahoogroups.com [mailto:hondareflexowners@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Ira K
> Sent: Monday, May 10, 2010 3:49 PM
> To: hondareflexowners@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: Honda Reflex Group Re: Reflex not starting up, help...
>
>
>
>
>
> It is also very dangerous. If the Reflex backfires, a fire will start in the air cleaner. Always keep a fire extinguisher handy when using starting fluid.
>
> --- On Mon, 5/10/10, BruceK <bruce@... <mailto:bruce%40aplusservices.com> > wrote:
>
> From: BruceK <bruce@... <mailto:bruce%40aplusservices.com> >
> Subject: Honda Reflex Group Re: Reflex not starting up, help...
> To: hondareflexowners@yahoogroups.com <mailto:hondareflexowners%40yahoogroups.com>
> Date: Monday, May 10, 2010, 3:08 PM
>
>
>
> There are two air inlets on the left side - above the passenger foot peg. The upper of those two is nearest air inlet to the air cleaner - the closest EXTERNAL POINT into which you can squirt starting fluid. It's vapors will be drawn into the engine when cranked...
>
> Starting Fluid is a "wonderful" low-cost troubleshooting tool, with which you can quickly identify whether a starting/running problem is fuel system related.
>
> Hope that helps
>
> Bruce Koehler - the Koehlerizer
>
> Santa Cruz, CA
>
> --- In hondareflexowners@ yahoogroups. com, "Carlos Moran" <losmoran@ .> wrote:
>
> >
>
> > Bruce,
>
> >
>
> > Can you be a little more specific on number 2?
>
> >
>
> > There is a vent that has dual holes with a black plastic cover inside the
>
> > vent and there is the spark plug access vent with the little pressure clip?
>
> > Where do I spray the starting fluid?
>
> >
>
> > It's hard to see or figure out how to remove some of the panels to get a
>
> > better look at things.
>
> >
>
> >
>
> >
>
> > Thanks
>
> >
>
> >
>
> >
>
> > From: hondareflexowners@ yahoogroups. com
>
> > [mailto:hondareflexowners@ yahoogroups. com] On Behalf Of BruceK
>
> > Sent: Thursday, May 06, 2010 9:43 PM
>
> > To: hondareflexowners@ yahoogroups. com
>
> > Subject: Honda Reflex Group Re: Reflex not starting up, help...
>
> >
>
> >
>
> >
>
> >
>
> >
>
> > Each of these is an INDIVIDUAL action - try one before you move on to the
>
> > next:
>
> >
>
> > 1. JUMP start it - hook jumper cables to a NON-RUNNING car. The Reflex
>
> > ignition needs lots of volts - a low battery will not start it (and a
>
> > battery tender is only made to MAINTAIN the charge on an already OK
>
> > battery).
>
> >
>
> > 2. Spray some Starting Fluid in the upper "vent" above the footboard on the
>
> > kickstand-side of the scooter - try again.
>
> >
>
> > 3. Remove the little cover just in front of that vent, and remove and
>
> > inspect the sparkplug. While it is OUT, crank the engine and see if you
>
> > (hopefully) smell gas in the expelled air. Inspect the plug - clean or
>
> > change - as appropriate.
>
> >
>
> > Post back if you need more.
>
> > Post back anyway - with your results - that is the group "compensation" for
>
> > the free advice - so that all will benefit.
>
> >
>
> > Welcome to the group!
>
> >
>
> > Bruce Koehler
>
> >
>
> > --- In hondareflexowners@ yahoogroups. com
>
> > <mailto:hondareflex owners%40yahoogr oups.com> , "losmoran@" <losmoran@>
>
> > wrote:
>
> > >
>
> > > Hi All,
>
> > > I am a new member here, My wife owns a 2004 Reflex that has been sitting
>
> > for about 9-10 months and it will not start. I tried starting it last week
>
> > and trhe battery was very week... I ordered a battery tender and the battery
>
> > charged fine but after three or four attempts at starting it began to get
>
> > week... I'm hoping for some guidance in stating it. The engine and fuel
>
> > lines are difficult to get to and before I ventured into taking it apart to
>
> > maybe try some starting fluid I thought I'd check here... Any suggestions
>
> > other than the mechanic?
>
> > >
>
> > > Thank you
>
> > > Los.
>
> > >
>
> >
>
> >
>
> >
>
> >
>
> >
>
> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
> >
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>

4f.

Re: Reflex not starting up, help...

Posted by: "Carlos Moran" losmoran@bellsouth.net   losmoran@bellsouth.net

Mon May 10, 2010 8:43 pm (PDT)



Thank you Bruce. I got the Prestone prediluted 50/50.

Well, I got it started following the a mixture of suggestions… I siphoned the old gas out, put fresh fuel, added about an ounce of STP octane booster, used Valvoline starter fluid which I sprayed while my wife started it. We attempted it about 9 times before it barely started but kept on a few more times and it started but runs terribly rough and shuts off easily if the throttle is left at idle. I'll try again tomorrow any thoughts??? I suppose I should change the spark plug?

Anyway, first I want to thank you all for the help I never would have gotten it started without your help.

From: hondareflexowners@yahoogroups.com [mailto:hondareflexowners@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of BruceK
Sent: Monday, May 10, 2010 10:00 PM
To: hondareflexowners@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Honda Reflex Group Re: Reflex not starting up, help...

Reflex coolant has two ABSOLUTE requirements:

1. No silicates
2. SPECIFIES for ALUMINUM engines (Reflex cylinder head is aluminum).

Find a coolant (like some Prestones) with those two requirments and you're OK. DO NOT USE DEXCOOL.

Hope that helps

Bruce Koehler - the Koehlerizer
Santa Cruz, CA

PS - my personal opinion is that as long as you use SHORT 1 - 2 second bursts of Starting Fluid, you have no risk of fire (especially since you are squirting it into the vent - not directly saturating the air filter). Also all STOCK (not K&N) air filters are extremely fire retardant.

--- In hondareflexowners@yahoogroups.com <mailto:hondareflexowners%40yahoogroups.com> , "Carlos Moran" <losmoran@...> wrote:
>
> Will do, Will baking soda work, or a real fire extinguisher? BTW, I just ordered a service manual from helm for 48 bucks in the meantime I need to know what type and mixture of coolant to use. The reservoir seems it’s way below the low mark.
>
>
>
> Thanks
>
>
>
> From: hondareflexowners@yahoogroups.com <mailto:hondareflexowners%40yahoogroups.com> [mailto:hondareflexowners@yahoogroups.com <mailto:hondareflexowners%40yahoogroups.com> ] On Behalf Of Ira K
> Sent: Monday, May 10, 2010 3:49 PM
> To: hondareflexowners@yahoogroups.com <mailto:hondareflexowners%40yahoogroups.com>
> Subject: Re: Honda Reflex Group Re: Reflex not starting up, help...
>
>
>
>
>
> It is also very dangerous. If the Reflex backfires, a fire will start in the air cleaner. Always keep a fire extinguisher handy when using starting fluid.
>
> --- On Mon, 5/10/10, BruceK <bruce@... <mailto:bruce%40aplusservices.com> > wrote:
>
> From: BruceK <bruce@... <mailto:bruce%40aplusservices.com> >
> Subject: Honda Reflex Group Re: Reflex not starting up, help...
> To: hondareflexowners@yahoogroups.com <mailto:hondareflexowners%40yahoogroups.com> <mailto:hondareflexowners%40yahoogroups.com>
> Date: Monday, May 10, 2010, 3:08 PM
>
>
>
> There are two air inlets on the left side - above the passenger foot peg. The upper of those two is nearest air inlet to the air cleaner - the closest EXTERNAL POINT into which you can squirt starting fluid. It's vapors will be drawn into the engine when cranked...
>
> Starting Fluid is a "wonderful" low-cost troubleshooting tool, with which you can quickly identify whether a starting/running problem is fuel system related.
>
> Hope that helps
>
> Bruce Koehler - the Koehlerizer
>
> Santa Cruz, CA
>
> --- In hondareflexowners@ yahoogroups. com, "Carlos Moran" <losmoran@ .> wrote:
>
> >
>
> > Bruce,
>
> >
>
> > Can you be a little more specific on number 2?
>
> >
>
> > There is a vent that has dual holes with a black plastic cover inside the
>
> > vent and there is the spark plug access vent with the little pressure clip?
>
> > Where do I spray the starting fluid?
>
> >
>
> > It's hard to see or figure out how to remove some of the panels to get a
>
> > better look at things.
>
> >
>
> >
>
> >
>
> > Thanks
>
> >
>
> >
>
> >
>
> > From: hondareflexowners@ yahoogroups. com
>
> > [mailto:hondareflexowners@ yahoogroups. com] On Behalf Of BruceK
>
> > Sent: Thursday, May 06, 2010 9:43 PM
>
> > To: hondareflexowners@ yahoogroups. com
>
> > Subject: Honda Reflex Group Re: Reflex not starting up, help...
>
> >
>
> >
>
> >
>
> >
>
> >
>
> > Each of these is an INDIVIDUAL action - try one before you move on to the
>
> > next:
>
> >
>
> > 1. JUMP start it - hook jumper cables to a NON-RUNNING car. The Reflex
>
> > ignition needs lots of volts - a low battery will not start it (and a
>
> > battery tender is only made to MAINTAIN the charge on an already OK
>
> > battery).
>
> >
>
> > 2. Spray some Starting Fluid in the upper "vent" above the footboard on the
>
> > kickstand-side of the scooter - try again.
>
> >
>
> > 3. Remove the little cover just in front of that vent, and remove and
>
> > inspect the sparkplug. While it is OUT, crank the engine and see if you
>
> > (hopefully) smell gas in the expelled air. Inspect the plug - clean or
>
> > change - as appropriate.
>
> >
>
> > Post back if you need more.
>
> > Post back anyway - with your results - that is the group "compensation" for
>
> > the free advice - so that all will benefit.
>
> >
>
> > Welcome to the group!
>
> >
>
> > Bruce Koehler
>
> >
>
> > --- In hondareflexowners@ yahoogroups. com
>
> > <mailto:hondareflex owners%40yahoogr oups.com> , "losmoran@" <losmoran@>
>
> > wrote:
>
> > >
>
> > > Hi All,
>
> > > I am a new member here, My wife owns a 2004 Reflex that has been sitting
>
> > for about 9-10 months and it will not start. I tried starting it last week
>
> > and trhe battery was very week... I ordered a battery tender and the battery
>
> > charged fine but after three or four attempts at starting it began to get
>
> > week... I'm hoping for some guidance in stating it. The engine and fuel
>
> > lines are difficult to get to and before I ventured into taking it apart to
>
> > maybe try some starting fluid I thought I'd check here... Any suggestions
>
> > other than the mechanic?
>
> > >
>
> > > Thank you
>
> > > Los.
>
> > >
>
> >
>
> >
>
> >
>
> >
>
> >
>
> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
> >
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>

[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

4g.

Re: Reflex not starting up, help...

Posted by: "BruceK" bruce@aplusservices.com   bruceakoehler

Mon May 10, 2010 10:33 pm (PDT)



Yes - pull the spark plug and have a look at it - tan color on center (inside) insulator is desirable. Also helpful to crank the engine for 10 seconds or so with the plug OUT.

Also then connect the plug wire - lay the plug metal against some metal on the engine and crank the engine - check for a nice blue spark. DO NOT TOUCH THE PLUG while doing this or you will get zapped!

There is a drain on the carb floatbowl - follow the clear plastic tube up from around the kickstand - there is a "screw valve" at the other end on the carb - back it out to drain the carb - drain it into a glass container if possible - to evaluate what comes out.

Post back...

Bruce

--- In hondareflexowners@yahoogroups.com, "Carlos Moran" <losmoran@...> wrote:
>
> Thank you Bruce. I got the Prestone prediluted 50/50.
>
> Well, I got it started following the a mixture of suggestions… I siphoned the old gas out, put fresh fuel, added about an ounce of STP octane booster, used Valvoline starter fluid which I sprayed while my wife started it. We attempted it about 9 times before it barely started but kept on a few more times and it started but runs terribly rough and shuts off easily if the throttle is left at idle. I’ll try again tomorrow any thoughts??? I suppose I should change the spark plug?
>
> Anyway, first I want to thank you all for the help I never would have gotten it started without your help.
>
>
>
> From: hondareflexowners@yahoogroups.com [mailto:hondareflexowners@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of BruceK
> Sent: Monday, May 10, 2010 10:00 PM
> To: hondareflexowners@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Honda Reflex Group Re: Reflex not starting up, help...
>
>
>
>
>
> Reflex coolant has two ABSOLUTE requirements:
>
> 1. No silicates
> 2. SPECIFIES for ALUMINUM engines (Reflex cylinder head is aluminum).
>
> Find a coolant (like some Prestones) with those two requirments and you're OK. DO NOT USE DEXCOOL.
>
> Hope that helps
>
> Bruce Koehler - the Koehlerizer
> Santa Cruz, CA
>
> PS - my personal opinion is that as long as you use SHORT 1 - 2 second bursts of Starting Fluid, you have no risk of fire (especially since you are squirting it into the vent - not directly saturating the air filter). Also all STOCK (not K&N) air filters are extremely fire retardant.
>
> --- In hondareflexowners@yahoogroups.com <mailto:hondareflexowners%40yahoogroups.com> , "Carlos Moran" <losmoran@> wrote:
> >
> > Will do, Will baking soda work, or a real fire extinguisher? BTW, I just ordered a service manual from helm for 48 bucks in the meantime I need to know what type and mixture of coolant to use. The reservoir seems it’s way below the low mark.
> >
> >
> >
> > Thanks
> >
> >
> >
> > From: hondareflexowners@yahoogroups.com <mailto:hondareflexowners%40yahoogroups.com> [mailto:hondareflexowners@yahoogroups.com <mailto:hondareflexowners%40yahoogroups.com> ] On Behalf Of Ira K
> > Sent: Monday, May 10, 2010 3:49 PM
> > To: hondareflexowners@yahoogroups.com <mailto:hondareflexowners%40yahoogroups.com>
> > Subject: Re: Honda Reflex Group Re: Reflex not starting up, help...
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > It is also very dangerous. If the Reflex backfires, a fire will start in the air cleaner. Always keep a fire extinguisher handy when using starting fluid.
> >
> > --- On Mon, 5/10/10, BruceK <bruce@ <mailto:bruce%40aplusservices.com> > wrote:
> >
> > From: BruceK <bruce@ <mailto:bruce%40aplusservices.com> >
> > Subject: Honda Reflex Group Re: Reflex not starting up, help...
> > To: hondareflexowners@yahoogroups.com <mailto:hondareflexowners%40yahoogroups.com> <mailto:hondareflexowners%40yahoogroups.com>
> > Date: Monday, May 10, 2010, 3:08 PM
> >
> >
> >
> > There are two air inlets on the left side - above the passenger foot peg. The upper of those two is nearest air inlet to the air cleaner - the closest EXTERNAL POINT into which you can squirt starting fluid. It's vapors will be drawn into the engine when cranked...
> >
> > Starting Fluid is a "wonderful" low-cost troubleshooting tool, with which you can quickly identify whether a starting/running problem is fuel system related.
> >
> > Hope that helps
> >
> > Bruce Koehler - the Koehlerizer
> >
> > Santa Cruz, CA
> >
> > --- In hondareflexowners@ yahoogroups. com, "Carlos Moran" <losmoran@ .> wrote:
> >
> > >
> >
> > > Bruce,
> >
> > >
> >
> > > Can you be a little more specific on number 2?
> >
> > >
> >
> > > There is a vent that has dual holes with a black plastic cover inside the
> >
> > > vent and there is the spark plug access vent with the little pressure clip?
> >
> > > Where do I spray the starting fluid?
> >
> > >
> >
> > > It's hard to see or figure out how to remove some of the panels to get a
> >
> > > better look at things.
> >
> > >
> >
> > >
> >
> > >
> >
> > > Thanks
> >
> > >
> >
> > >
> >
> > >
> >
> > > From: hondareflexowners@ yahoogroups. com
> >
> > > [mailto:hondareflexowners@ yahoogroups. com] On Behalf Of BruceK
> >
> > > Sent: Thursday, May 06, 2010 9:43 PM
> >
> > > To: hondareflexowners@ yahoogroups. com
> >
> > > Subject: Honda Reflex Group Re: Reflex not starting up, help...
> >
> > >
> >
> > >
> >
> > >
> >
> > >
> >
> > >
> >
> > > Each of these is an INDIVIDUAL action - try one before you move on to the
> >
> > > next:
> >
> > >
> >
> > > 1. JUMP start it - hook jumper cables to a NON-RUNNING car. The Reflex
> >
> > > ignition needs lots of volts - a low battery will not start it (and a
> >
> > > battery tender is only made to MAINTAIN the charge on an already OK
> >
> > > battery).
> >
> > >
> >
> > > 2. Spray some Starting Fluid in the upper "vent" above the footboard on the
> >
> > > kickstand-side of the scooter - try again.
> >
> > >
> >
> > > 3. Remove the little cover just in front of that vent, and remove and
> >
> > > inspect the sparkplug. While it is OUT, crank the engine and see if you
> >
> > > (hopefully) smell gas in the expelled air. Inspect the plug - clean or
> >
> > > change - as appropriate.
> >
> > >
> >
> > > Post back if you need more.
> >
> > > Post back anyway - with your results - that is the group "compensation" for
> >
> > > the free advice - so that all will benefit.
> >
> > >
> >
> > > Welcome to the group!
> >
> > >
> >
> > > Bruce Koehler
> >
> > >
> >
> > > --- In hondareflexowners@ yahoogroups. com
> >
> > > <mailto:hondareflex owners%40yahoogr oups.com> , "losmoran@" <losmoran@>
> >
> > > wrote:
> >
> > > >
> >
> > > > Hi All,
> >
> > > > I am a new member here, My wife owns a 2004 Reflex that has been sitting
> >
> > > for about 9-10 months and it will not start. I tried starting it last week
> >
> > > and trhe battery was very week... I ordered a battery tender and the battery
> >
> > > charged fine but after three or four attempts at starting it began to get
> >
> > > week... I'm hoping for some guidance in stating it. The engine and fuel
> >
> > > lines are difficult to get to and before I ventured into taking it apart to
> >
> > > maybe try some starting fluid I thought I'd check here... Any suggestions
> >
> > > other than the mechanic?
> >
> > > >
> >
> > > > Thank you
> >
> > > > Los.
> >
> > > >
> >
> > >
> >
> > >
> >
> > >
> >
> > >
> >
> > >
> >
> > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> >
> > >
> >
> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> >
>
>
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>

4h.

Re: Reflex not starting up, help...

Posted by: "Joe Barnhart" flaboye@gmail.com   jtbgnsv

Tue May 11, 2010 1:49 am (PDT)



It'll get better! you may wish to put some seafoam treatment through it,
and suffer through the roughness and go ride it!

Seafoam will help remove the gunk buildups in the gas lines, including fuel
filter, carb, etc. It will also clean out the combustion chamber nicely.

On Tue, May 11, 2010 at 1:31 AM, BruceK <bruce@aplusservices.com> wrote:

>
>
> Yes - pull the spark plug and have a look at it - tan color on center
> (inside) insulator is desirable. Also helpful to crank the engine for 10
> seconds or so with the plug OUT.
>
> Also then connect the plug wire - lay the plug metal against some metal on
> the engine and crank the engine - check for a nice blue spark. DO NOT TOUCH
> THE PLUG while doing this or you will get zapped!
>
> There is a drain on the carb floatbowl - follow the clear plastic tube up
> from around the kickstand - there is a "screw valve" at the other end on the
> carb - back it out to drain the carb - drain it into a glass container if
> possible - to evaluate what comes out.
>
> Post back...
>
> Bruce
>
>
> --- In hondareflexowners@yahoogroups.com<hondareflexowners%40yahoogroups.com>,
> "Carlos Moran" <losmoran@...> wrote:
> >
> > Thank you Bruce. I got the Prestone prediluted 50/50.
> >
> > Well, I got it started following the a mixture of suggestions… I
> siphoned the old gas out, put fresh fuel, added about an ounce of STP octane
> booster, used Valvoline starter fluid which I sprayed while my wife started
> it. We attempted it about 9 times before it barely started but kept on a few
> more times and it started but runs terribly rough and shuts off easily if
> the throttle is left at idle. I'll try again tomorrow any thoughts??? I
> suppose I should change the spark plug?
>
> >
> > Anyway, first I want to thank you all for the help I never would have
> gotten it started without your help.
> >
> >
> >
> > From: hondareflexowners@yahoogroups.com<hondareflexowners%40yahoogroups.com>[mailto:
> hondareflexowners@yahoogroups.com <hondareflexowners%40yahoogroups.com>]
> On Behalf Of BruceK
> > Sent: Monday, May 10, 2010 10:00 PM
> > To: hondareflexowners@yahoogroups.com<hondareflexowners%40yahoogroups.com>
> > Subject: Honda Reflex Group Re: Reflex not starting up, help...
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Reflex coolant has two ABSOLUTE requirements:
> >
> > 1. No silicates
> > 2. SPECIFIES for ALUMINUM engines (Reflex cylinder head is aluminum).
> >
> > Find a coolant (like some Prestones) with those two requirments and
> you're OK. DO NOT USE DEXCOOL.
> >
> > Hope that helps
> >
> > Bruce Koehler - the Koehlerizer
> > Santa Cruz, CA
> >
> > PS - my personal opinion is that as long as you use SHORT 1 - 2 second
> bursts of Starting Fluid, you have no risk of fire (especially since you are
> squirting it into the vent - not directly saturating the air filter). Also
> all STOCK (not K&N) air filters are extremely fire retardant.
> >
> > --- In hondareflexowners@yahoogroups.com<hondareflexowners%40yahoogroups.com><mailto:
> hondareflexowners%40yahoogroups.com<hondareflexowners%2540yahoogroups.com>>
> , "Carlos Moran" <losmoran@> wrote:
> > >
> > > Will do, Will baking soda work, or a real fire extinguisher? BTW, I
> just ordered a service manual from helm for 48 bucks in the meantime I need
> to know what type and mixture of coolant to use. The reservoir seems
> it’s way below the low mark.
>
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Thanks
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > From: hondareflexowners@yahoogroups.com<hondareflexowners%40yahoogroups.com><mailto:
> hondareflexowners%40yahoogroups.com<hondareflexowners%2540yahoogroups.com>>
> [mailto:hondareflexowners@yahoogroups.com<hondareflexowners%40yahoogroups.com><mailto:
> hondareflexowners%40yahoogroups.com<hondareflexowners%2540yahoogroups.com>>
> ] On Behalf Of Ira K
> > > Sent: Monday, May 10, 2010 3:49 PM
> > > To: hondareflexowners@yahoogroups.com<hondareflexowners%40yahoogroups.com><mailto:
> hondareflexowners%40yahoogroups.com<hondareflexowners%2540yahoogroups.com>>
>
> > > Subject: Re: Honda Reflex Group Re: Reflex not starting up, help...
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > It is also very dangerous. If the Reflex backfires, a fire will start
> in the air cleaner. Always keep a fire extinguisher handy when using
> starting fluid.
> > >
> > > --- On Mon, 5/10/10, BruceK <bruce@ <mailto:bruce%40aplusservices.com<bruce%2540aplusservices.com>>
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > From: BruceK <bruce@ <mailto:bruce%40aplusservices.com<bruce%2540aplusservices.com>>
> >
> > > Subject: Honda Reflex Group Re: Reflex not starting up, help...
> > > To: hondareflexowners@yahoogroups.com<hondareflexowners%40yahoogroups.com><mailto:
> hondareflexowners%40yahoogroups.com<hondareflexowners%2540yahoogroups.com>>
> <mailto:hondareflexowners%40yahoogroups.com<hondareflexowners%2540yahoogroups.com>>
>
> > > Date: Monday, May 10, 2010, 3:08 PM
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > There are two air inlets on the left side - above the passenger foot
> peg. The upper of those two is nearest air inlet to the air cleaner - the
> closest EXTERNAL POINT into which you can squirt starting fluid. It's vapors
> will be drawn into the engine when cranked...
> > >
> > > Starting Fluid is a "wonderful" low-cost troubleshooting tool, with
> which you can quickly identify whether a starting/running problem is fuel
> system related.
> > >
> > > Hope that helps
> > >
> > > Bruce Koehler - the Koehlerizer
> > >
> > > Santa Cruz, CA
> > >
> > > --- In hondareflexowners@ yahoogroups. com, "Carlos Moran" <losmoran@.> wrote:
> > >
> > > >
> > >
> > > > Bruce,
> > >
> > > >
> > >
> > > > Can you be a little more specific on number 2?
> > >
> > > >
> > >
> > > > There is a vent that has dual holes with a black plastic cover inside
> the
> > >
> > > > vent and there is the spark plug access vent with the little pressure
> clip?
> > >
> > > > Where do I spray the starting fluid?
> > >
> > > >
> > >
> > > > It's hard to see or figure out how to remove some of the panels to
> get a
> > >
> > > > better look at things.
> > >
> > > >
> > >
> > > >
> > >
> > > >
> > >
> > > > Thanks
> > >
> > > >
> > >
> > > >
> > >
> > > >
> > >
> > > > From: hondareflexowners@ yahoogroups. com
> > >
> > > > [mailto:hondareflexowners@ yahoogroups. com] On Behalf Of BruceK
> > >
> > > > Sent: Thursday, May 06, 2010 9:43 PM
> > >
> > > > To: hondareflexowners@ yahoogroups. com
> > >
> > > > Subject: Honda Reflex Group Re: Reflex not starting up, help...
> > >
> > > >
> > >
> > > >
> > >
> > > >
> > >
> > > >
> > >
> > > >
> > >
> > > > Each of these is an INDIVIDUAL action - try one before you move on to
> the
> > >
> > > > next:
> > >
> > > >
> > >
> > > > 1. JUMP start it - hook jumper cables to a NON-RUNNING car. The
> Reflex
> > >
> > > > ignition needs lots of volts - a low battery will not start it (and a
> > >
> > > > battery tender is only made to MAINTAIN the charge on an already OK
> > >
> > > > battery).
> > >
> > > >
> > >
> > > > 2. Spray some Starting Fluid in the upper "vent" above the footboard
> on the
> > >
> > > > kickstand-side of the scooter - try again.
> > >
> > > >
> > >
> > > > 3. Remove the little cover just in front of that vent, and remove and
> > >
> > > > inspect the sparkplug. While it is OUT, crank the engine and see if
> you
> > >
> > > > (hopefully) smell gas in the expelled air. Inspect the plug - clean
> or
> > >
> > > > change - as appropriate.
> > >
> > > >
> > >
> > > > Post back if you need more.
> > >
> > > > Post back anyway - with your results - that is the group
> "compensation" for
> > >
> > > > the free advice - so that all will benefit.
> > >
> > > >
> > >
> > > > Welcome to the group!
> > >
> > > >
> > >
> > > > Bruce Koehler
> > >
> > > >
> > >
> > > > --- In hondareflexowners@ yahoogroups. com
> > >
> > > > <mailto:hondareflex owners%40yahoogr oups.com> , "losmoran@"
> <losmoran@>
> > >
> > > > wrote:
> > >
> > > > >
> > >
> > > > > Hi All,
> > >
> > > > > I am a new member here, My wife owns a 2004 Reflex that has been
> sitting
> > >
> > > > for about 9-10 months and it will not start. I tried starting it last
> week
> > >
> > > > and trhe battery was very week... I ordered a battery tender and the
> battery
> > >
> > > > charged fine but after three or four attempts at starting it began to
> get
> > >
> > > > week... I'm hoping for some guidance in stating it. The engine and
> fuel
> > >
> > > > lines are difficult to get to and before I ventured into taking it
> apart to
> > >
> > > > maybe try some starting fluid I thought I'd check here... Any
> suggestions
> > >
> > > > other than the mechanic?
> > >
> > > > >
> > >
> > > > > Thank you
> > >
> > > > > Los.
> > >
> > > > >
> > >
> > > >
> > >
> > > >
> > >
> > > >
> > >
> > > >
> > >
> > > >
> > >
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> > >
> > > >
> > >
> > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
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> >
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>
>

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5a.

oil drain plug

Posted by: "Joe Barnhart" flaboye@gmail.com   jtbgnsv

Mon May 10, 2010 3:23 pm (PDT)



Well, this is twice now I've had issues with this part. First one was it
disintegrated on me tightening it a long time ago.

Now, the head has rounded to the point the sockets won't work.

I'm sure I'm not the only person this has happened to, as it's aluminum.

So, what did the rest of you use to get this off if the socket and end
wrench will no longer work?

Vise grips? Solder something to it and sacrifice it later, etc.

Thanks,

Joe

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5b.

Re: oil drain plug

Posted by: "THO LE" leductho@yahoo.com   LEDUCTHO

Mon May 10, 2010 6:33 pm (PDT)



metinche sockets

http://www.amazon.com/dp/B000WR3JUO/?tag=brsite3-20

________________________________
From: Joe Barnhart <flaboye@gmail.com>
To: hondareflexowners@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Mon, May 10, 2010 6:22:57 PM
Subject: Honda Reflex Group oil drain plug

 
Well, this is twice now I've had issues with this part. First one was it
disintegrated on me tightening it a long time ago.

Now, the head has rounded to the point the sockets won't work.

I'm sure I'm not the only person this has happened to, as it's aluminum.

So, what did the rest of you use to get this off if the socket and end
wrench will no longer work?

Vise grips? Solder something to it and sacrifice it later, etc.

Thanks,

Joe

[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

5c.

Re: oil drain plug

Posted by: "Joe Barnhart" flaboye@gmail.com   jtbgnsv

Mon May 10, 2010 6:41 pm (PDT)



Thanks for the reply. The 17mm head is rounded now. I'm going to have to
use some kind of rounded bolt remover or something, not a regular socket
set, I have those.

Wonder if this thing at sears would work on aluminum?

http://www.sears.com/shc/s/p_10153_12605_00952061000P?keyword=damaged+bolt+remover&prdNo=4&blockNo=4&blockType=G4

On Mon, May 10, 2010 at 9:33 PM, THO LE <leductho@yahoo.com> wrote:

>
>
> metinche sockets
>
> http://www.amazon.com/dp/B000WR3JUO/?tag=brsite3-20
>
> ________________________________
> From: Joe Barnhart <flaboye@gmail.com <flaboye%40gmail.com>>
> To: hondareflexowners@yahoogroups.com<hondareflexowners%40yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Mon, May 10, 2010 6:22:57 PM
> Subject: Honda Reflex Group oil drain plug
>
>
>
> Well, this is twice now I've had issues with this part. First one was it
> disintegrated on me tightening it a long time ago.
>
> Now, the head has rounded to the point the sockets won't work.
>
> I'm sure I'm not the only person this has happened to, as it's aluminum.
>
> So, what did the rest of you use to get this off if the socket and end
> wrench will no longer work?
>
> Vise grips? Solder something to it and sacrifice it later, etc.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Joe
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>
>

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5d.

Re: oil drain plug

Posted by: "BruceK" bruce@aplusservices.com   bruceakoehler

Mon May 10, 2010 7:08 pm (PDT)



If Vise Grips won't do it, try a pipe wrench. If that won't do it, take a hammer and chisel and tap it around the outside edge in a counter-clockwise direction.

___
/ \
\___/
^
/
/

Obviously you are going to replace it, and use a new o-ring. Perhaps you should also use a torque wrench. There is no need to tighten it much, because of the 0-ring type of seal - and there is no oil PRESSURE there.

Hope that helps

Bruce Koehler - the Koehlerizer
Santa Cruz, CA

--- In hondareflexowners@yahoogroups.com, Joe Barnhart <flaboye@...> wrote:
>
> Well, this is twice now I've had issues with this part. First one was it
> disintegrated on me tightening it a long time ago.
>
> Now, the head has rounded to the point the sockets won't work.
>
> I'm sure I'm not the only person this has happened to, as it's aluminum.
>
> So, what did the rest of you use to get this off if the socket and end
> wrench will no longer work?
>
> Vise grips? Solder something to it and sacrifice it later, etc.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Joe
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>

5e.

Re: oil drain plug

Posted by: "Joe Pal" pal996@lycos.com   donedeal999

Tue May 11, 2010 6:10 am (PDT)



Use a 6 point socket.

From: hondareflexowners@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:hondareflexowners@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Joe Barnhart
Sent: Monday, May 10, 2010 3:23 PM
To: hondareflexowners@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Honda Reflex Group oil drain plug


Well, this is twice now I've had issues with this part. First one was it
disintegrated on me tightening it a long time ago.

Now, the head has rounded to the point the sockets won't work.

I'm sure I'm not the only person this has happened to, as it's aluminum.

So, what did the rest of you use to get this off if the socket and end
wrench will no longer work?

Vise grips? Solder something to it and sacrifice it later, etc.

Thanks,

Joe

[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

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