Tuesday, March 30, 2010

Honda Reflex Group Digest Number 4781

Messages In This Digest (11 Messages)

1a.
Re: creative ideas? From: MichaelB
2a.
Muffler Trim Replacement From: Philip Cassel
2b.
Re: Muffler Trim Replacement From: thebubblepuppy2004
2c.
Re: Muffler Trim Replacement From: Cathy Hamma
2d.
Re: Muffler Trim Replacement From: Joe Barnhart
3.
If anyone lives near Pontiac Illinois From: Marie
4a.
Repair in Orange County From: cccajohn
4b.
Re: Repair in Orange County From: barrettpat56
5a.
Worn Roller Weights and Fuel Performance From: Signetring54
5b.
Re: Worn Roller Weights and Fuel Performance From: Michael
5c.
Re: Worn Roller Weights and Fuel Performance From: Joe Barnhart

Messages

1a.

Re: creative ideas?

Posted by: "MichaelB" mikeveg@yahoo.com   mikeveg

Mon Mar 29, 2010 6:31 am (PDT)



I used a hammertone silver paint on mine and it looks really nice. The hammertone also hides surface defects!

Mike

--- In hondareflexowners@yahoogroups.com, "rieger_cl" <rieger@...> wrote:
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>
>
> --- In hondareflexowners@yahoogroups.com, "rieger_cl" <rieger@> wrote:
> >
> > My muffler cover is scraped to heck and looks terrible.
> >
> > Replacement price: $50+. Youch.
> >
> > Has anyone come up with creative (i.e., cheap, attractive and functional) alternatives?
> >
>
> $3.50 roll of a Chrome Brite metallic tape did the job nicely. Would have been better if the tape were 5" wide instead of 3" (to avoid a seam), but it looks a lot better than scraped white plastic showing through.
>

2a.

Muffler Trim Replacement

Posted by: "Philip Cassel" casselp_2000@yahoo.com   casselp_2000

Mon Mar 29, 2010 9:02 am (PDT)



I suggest a piece of 1/8" or 3/16" thick polished aluminum sheet stock cut and rolled to the same size and shape as the cheesy aluminized mylar original.
Nemmind the bolt dimples pressed into the original; they were meant to distance the plastic from the muffler heat- no need for the aluminum version. It will look more "tucked-in" and you might make it longer than the original to best relate to the two tapered bits at welded each end of the muffler. You're welcome.

2b.

Re: Muffler Trim Replacement

Posted by: "thebubblepuppy2004" bubblepuppy@dejazzd.com   thebubblepuppy2004

Mon Mar 29, 2010 4:56 pm (PDT)





Very nice idea.

I imagine that you probably work with your hands, and are good at it.

I always hated my trashed muffler shield, and just never got serious about a custom fix. Your concept sounds like a solid plan. Let's see what I can do with it. (note to self...find Aluminum).

Thanks

--- In hondareflexowners@yahoogroups.com, Philip Cassel <casselp_2000@...> wrote:
>
> I suggest a piece of 1/8" or 3/16" thick polished aluminum sheet stock cut and rolled to the same size and shape as the cheesy aluminized mylar original.
> Nemmind the bolt dimples pressed into the original; they were meant to distance the plastic from the muffler heat- no need for the aluminum version. It will look more "tucked-in" and you might make it longer than the original to best relate to the two tapered bits at welded each end of the muffler. You're welcome.
>

2c.

Re: Muffler Trim Replacement

Posted by: "Cathy Hamma" cathy@clktech.com   webcat95

Mon Mar 29, 2010 9:00 pm (PDT)



Hardware stores, Home Depot, Menard's, Lowes, they all sell stock aluminum,
stainless steel, steel, etc.

Cathy Hamma

2007 Honda Reflex, NW Chicago Suburbs, Illinois

From: hondareflexowners@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:hondareflexowners@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of thebubblepuppy2004
Sent: Monday, March 29, 2010 6:56 PM
To: hondareflexowners@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Honda Reflex Group Re: Muffler Trim Replacement

Very nice idea.

I imagine that you probably work with your hands, and are good at it.

I always hated my trashed muffler shield, and just never got serious about a
custom fix. Your concept sounds like a solid plan. Let's see what I can do
with it. (note to self...find Aluminum).

Thanks

--- In hondareflexowners@yahoogroups.com
<mailto:hondareflexowners%40yahoogroups.com> , Philip Cassel
<casselp_2000@...> wrote:
>
> I suggest a piece of 1/8" or 3/16" thick polished aluminum sheet stock cut
and rolled to the same size and shape as the cheesy aluminized mylar
original.
> Nemmind the bolt dimples pressed into the original; they were meant to
distance the plastic from the muffler heat- no need for the aluminum
version. It will look more "tucked-in" and you might make it longer than the
original to best relate to the two tapered bits at welded each end of the
muffler. You're welcome.
>

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2d.

Re: Muffler Trim Replacement

Posted by: "Joe Barnhart" flaboye@gmail.com   jtbgnsv

Tue Mar 30, 2010 2:56 am (PDT)



I took mine off a long time ago, but have done nothing about replacing it
with anything. I did price it and decided wouldn't waste money on buying
an oem replacement.

Some great ideas in this thread for alternatives though!

On Tue, Mar 30, 2010 at 12:00 AM, Cathy Hamma <cathy@clktech.com> wrote:

>
>
> Hardware stores, Home Depot, Menard's, Lowes, they all sell stock aluminum,
> stainless steel, steel, etc.
>
> Cathy Hamma
>
> 2007 Honda Reflex, NW Chicago Suburbs, Illinois
>
> From: hondareflexowners@yahoogroups.com<hondareflexowners%40yahoogroups.com>
> [mailto:hondareflexowners@yahoogroups.com<hondareflexowners%40yahoogroups.com>]
> On Behalf Of thebubblepuppy2004
> Sent: Monday, March 29, 2010 6:56 PM
> To: hondareflexowners@yahoogroups.com<hondareflexowners%40yahoogroups.com>
> Subject: Honda Reflex Group Re: Muffler Trim Replacement
>
>
> Very nice idea.
>
> I imagine that you probably work with your hands, and are good at it.
>
> I always hated my trashed muffler shield, and just never got serious about
> a
> custom fix. Your concept sounds like a solid plan. Let's see what I can do
> with it. (note to self...find Aluminum).
>
> Thanks
>
> --- In hondareflexowners@yahoogroups.com<hondareflexowners%40yahoogroups.com>
> <mailto:hondareflexowners%40yahoogroups.com<hondareflexowners%2540yahoogroups.com>>
> , Philip Cassel
>
> <casselp_2000@...> wrote:
> >
> > I suggest a piece of 1/8" or 3/16" thick polished aluminum sheet stock
> cut
> and rolled to the same size and shape as the cheesy aluminized mylar
> original.
> > Nemmind the bolt dimples pressed into the original; they were meant to
> distance the plastic from the muffler heat- no need for the aluminum
> version. It will look more "tucked-in" and you might make it longer than
> the
> original to best relate to the two tapered bits at welded each end of the
> muffler. You're welcome.
> >
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>
>

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3.

If anyone lives near Pontiac Illinois

Posted by: "Marie" coffman_marie@yahoo.com   coffman_marie

Mon Mar 29, 2010 10:49 am (PDT)



I ran across a Reflex at a little garage sale type place. Its yellow, like mine so It may be a 2003 and seemed to have 1800 miles on the odometer. Had a Givi windshield and a trunk (no brand I have heard of) I asked what they wanted for it and they said $1900 (that was their starting offer - presumably they would go lower)

It did look like sitting outside was not doing it any favors and I did not start it up or anything but if anyone is looking for one of these things and lives near or goes thru Pontiac they could look at this one. No obvious damage that I could see.

4a.

Repair in Orange County

Posted by: "cccajohn" johnfugatt@prodigy.net   cccajohn

Mon Mar 29, 2010 4:29 pm (PDT)



Guys, bought some new tires for my Reflex and looking for a good mechanic to put them on for a resonable price. Also, would like to find a good mechanic for repairs if and when needed. I am in Huntington Beach. Thanks for any info you guys may have.

John

4b.

Re: Repair in Orange County

Posted by: "barrettpat56" barrettpat@hughes.net   barrettpat56

Mon Mar 29, 2010 8:02 pm (PDT)



I think you are in the enviable position of being close to Tuba Tim Hanson who is well known for offering to fix just about anything for free.(maybe a dinner out). I can't remember what town he's in down by LA. How about it, Tim?

--- In hondareflexowners@yahoogroups.com, "cccajohn" <johnfugatt@...> wrote:
>
> Guys, bought some new tires for my Reflex and looking for a good mechanic to put them on for a resonable price. Also, would like to find a good mechanic for repairs if and when needed. I am in Huntington Beach. Thanks for any info you guys may have.
>
> John
>

5a.

Worn Roller Weights and Fuel Performance

Posted by: "Signetring54" signetnetring54@sbcglobal.net   signetnetring54@sbcglobal.net

Mon Mar 29, 2010 7:44 pm (PDT)



I just replaced my drive belt at 22K miles and noticed that the black roller weights have some flat spots on them. This is a K-mod unit. Does anyone know what the recommended replacement interval is for replacing these rollers? There is nothing listed on the maintenance list. Also should they be changed more often with the K-mod? Further, will worn rollers also cause a decrease in gas mileage? I changed the oil, final drive fluid, spark plug, air filter, new belt, resurfaced variator faces, but gas mileage has gone down from 65-67 mpg to 60-63 mpg. Are there any others factors that could influence this reduction in fuel economy?

5b.

Re: Worn Roller Weights and Fuel Performance

Posted by: "Michael" mbr987@comcast.net   bandito_two

Mon Mar 29, 2010 11:11 pm (PDT)



--- In hondareflexowners@yahoogroups.com, "Signetring54" <signetnetring54@...> wrote:
>
> I just replaced my drive belt at 22K miles and noticed that the black roller weights have some flat spots on them. This is a K-mod unit. Does anyone know what the recommended replacement interval is for replacing these rollers? There is nothing listed on the maintenance list. Also should they be changed more often with the K-mod? Further, will worn rollers also cause a decrease in gas mileage? I changed the oil, final drive fluid, spark plug, air filter, new belt, resurfaced variator faces, but gas mileage has gone down from 65-67 mpg to 60-63 mpg. Are there any others factors that could influence this reduction in fuel economy?
>
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I don't know what the K-mod does for or against fuel economy, so no
comments for that. But the rollers do have service limits. So you need to change them if they are beyond specs. In my 2001-2006 Service
Manual, section 10 DRIVE PULLEY/DRIVEN PULLEY/CLUTCH, page 10-2 under troubleshooting, subject - Poor performance at high speed or lack of power. It lists probable causes:
* Worn drive belt
* Weak drive face spring
* Worn weight rollers
* Contaminated pulley faces

So according to this info, I would have to say yes, worn weight rollers can affect MPG. So when you do drive line maintenance, just
make the roller weights an item for inspection.

Standards and service limits are listed on 10-1 of the service manual
along with torque values for items in this section.

You've replaced the belt and say you've resurfaced the variator faces. Some reasonable questions may include:

# In what way have you resurfaced the variator faces?
# Could the resurfacing not have had the desired effect?
# Is it possible that pulley faces got contaminated with gear oil?

About the other items you listed:

# Did you gap the spark plug and tighten it down to specs?
# Was the air filter seated and sealed properly at install?
# Did you add too much engine oil?(excess will get vented up into air
box and clog the air filter)
# Are tires properly inflated?
# Are you riding the bike differently?
# Are you calculating MPG different in any way than before?

BTW, that is a relatively small drop in mpg. To detect drops that small in mpg requires fairly consistant riding and lots of accurate
fuel use and mileage data. (I have record of every ounce of gas and its cost and miles traveled since I first got a 2004 Reflex that now belongs to my brother. It's his responsibility now if he cares to.)

Anyway, hope this helps you find the cause for the mpg discrepancy.

Mike B.

(Rochester Hills Michigan Double Dark Side Rider)
(2007 Honda NSS250S Reflex Sport "Scarlet")
(2006 Honda FSC600A Silverwing "Jester")
( Both with a car tire for the rear )
(and scooter rear tire for the front)

"Great ideas often receive violent opposition from mediocre minds." - Albert Einstein

5c.

Re: Worn Roller Weights and Fuel Performance

Posted by: "Joe Barnhart" flaboye@gmail.com   jtbgnsv

Tue Mar 30, 2010 2:35 am (PDT)



I believe Bruce said you would experience faster roller wear if you K-Modded
your bike.

Personally, I replace my rollers when I do my belts, they're less than 10.00
to do, overkill but that's what I do. I have the variator in my hand
anyway, you know.

Also since your getting up there in mileage, check the faces of the
variator, mine has worn a groove in it, and others report this as well when
they get up in mileage. I"m actually replacing the faces this belt change.

I just flipped 44,000 on yesterday's commute! I will approach 60,000 this
year if I continue at this pace, coming for the world record!

Good Luck!

Joe

On Mon, Mar 29, 2010 at 10:39 PM, Signetring54 <
signetnetring54@sbcglobal.net> wrote:

>
>
> I just replaced my drive belt at 22K miles and noticed that the black
> roller weights have some flat spots on them. This is a K-mod unit. Does
> anyone know what the recommended replacement interval is for replacing these
> rollers? There is nothing listed on the maintenance list. Also should they
> be changed more often with the K-mod? Further, will worn rollers also cause
> a decrease in gas mileage? I changed the oil, final drive fluid, spark plug,
> air filter, new belt, resurfaced variator faces, but gas mileage has gone
> down from 65-67 mpg to 60-63 mpg. Are there any others factors that could
> influence this reduction in fuel economy?
>
>
>

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