Tuesday, March 16, 2010

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1a.

Re: Howdy from way up north!!Need help!!

Posted by: "s" samzbamz@myway.com   samzbamz

Mon Mar 15, 2010 10:07 am (PDT)



Just ordered a set of avons will give um a try heard there soft but thats ok 99bucks for the set shipped to MN got um at smalltires.com
OK deal I think!!when did they go up??going to break um down myself!!

--- In hondareflexowners@yahoogroups.com, "rvtips" <rvtips@...> wrote:
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> Get that tire off !!!
> It is at least 9 years old maybe 10,The one on my 2002 was 9 years old.
> The rubber drys out and ir will go down.
> Phillip/riding my 02 around Palm Springs with the car tire on the rear and lovin it.75 today,more heat to come.
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> --- In hondareflexowners@yahoogroups.com, "s" <samzbamz@> wrote:
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> > I just looked at the odo on my '01 It's got 7,700 miles not 6K thats low mileage right?? The rear tire look's like it's getting down there
> > Can't see the inner tube yet..ha..ha.. also slight checking on the front!!whats a good replacement tire?? Anything better!! I've got tire tools ,Whats the way to go!! it's 58F here today!!Crazy weather...
> >
> > Liv2ride,
> > Scott
> >
> > --- In hondareflexowners@yahoogroups.com, "BruceK" <bruce@> wrote:
> > >
> > > Have look in the FILES section for the routine maintenance list.
> > >
> > > There are no LEGAL downloads of the service manual, but often there are used ones on eBay. The manual is the same for all years and models of Reflex.
> > >
> > > Watch out for rust in the gas tank - have a look in the FILES section - fuel tank replacement - for great example photos. Hopefully you filled the tanks before storage...
> > >
> > > Consider replacing belt and tires DUE TO AGING - 6 years is about the max safe life for the structure of these.
> > >
> > > Hope that helps
> > >
> > > Bruce Koehler - the Koehlerizer
> > > Santa Cruz, CA
> > >
> > > --- In hondareflexowners@yahoogroups.com, "samzbamz" <samzbamz@> wrote:
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> > > > Hi All,
> > > > I have 2 reflex's '01 and '04 weather is starting to get warmer here.
> > > > All I have done to these bikes is change oil and air filter and spark
> > > > plug!
> > > > The '01 has 6k the '04 has 4k... what else do i need to do now to get
> > > > them ready for summer!!I have the big givi windshield on my '01 and plan
> > > > on using it to commute to work! anywhere to download a service manual??
> > > > Thanks for your help,Scott A MathiesDayton MN
> > > >
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Re: battery

Posted by: "BruceK" bruce@aplusservices.com   bruceakoehler

Mon Mar 15, 2010 12:36 pm (PDT)



It should be noted that what owners perceive as "battery life" (as related to battery quality itself) is greatly affected by "outside influences, such as:

Running the battery DEAD (the BIG HIT!)

A charging system that puts out either too much - or too little

Rides that are too brief or infrequent to fully charge the battery

Excessive vibration

Excessive heat (both are why BMW puts their car batteries in the trunk, and they last forever)

Lengthy storage without a trickle charger (or a faulty trickle charger)

etc etc etc

For what it's worth

Bruce Koehler - the Koehlerizer
Santa Cruz, CA

--- In hondareflexowners@yahoogroups.com, Ira K <bigirakay@...> wrote:
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>      Motorcycle batteries are like  roulette.  Some times you win and some times you loose.  I have bought cheap batteries that lasted and expensive ones that did not,  It is in the luck of the draw.  I have a battery in a HONDA 150 SCOOTER  that is seven { 7} years old and still works fine.   I call it the magic  battery.   I put a expensive battery in my 82 MAGNA and after two years does not hold a charge. If the bike sits for a week it will not not start  without a boost.   Maybe batteries are more like women or men than roulette, only time will show if its a good one.          In
> rainy LONG ISLAND N.Y.  BIGIRA 
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> Subject: Honda Reflex Group Re: battery
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> > Does anyone know if the cheapo $55 battery works ok or is there
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3a.

Re: Reflex vs Helix

Posted by: "BruceK" bruce@aplusservices.com   bruceakoehler

Mon Mar 15, 2010 12:53 pm (PDT)



There's a clue in the looks - the Reflex was designed to be more sporty. The result is a bit less comfort and a bit better performance.

Which is better? It depends on your desires...

For me, I could never warm up to the Helix appearance at all, so I stuck with my Elite until the Reflex became available.

For what it's worth

Bruce Koehler - the Koehlerizer
Santa Cruz, CA

--- In hondareflexowners@yahoogroups.com, "jhcaudill" <jnscaudills@...> wrote:
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> I guess I'm a little confused. At one time I rode a friend's Honda Helix while he borrowed my Goldwing (2 or 3 week trip he went on). I liked the Helix just fine, and so, when I decided to get a scooter (in addition to my Goldwing) I went looking for a Helix. Along the way, I discovered the Reflex, and promptly purchased a 2002 model. My impression was that the Reflex was the "new and improved" replacement for the Helix (since the Helix was designed in the early 80's). Now, I see ads for 1986 Helix's for upwards of $2000 and later models with asking prices of well over $3,000.
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> Is the Helix a better/more desirable scooter that the Reflex? I thought they had basically the same engine(displacement wise) and drivetrain. Is there more to this story?
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3b.

Re: Reflex vs Helix

Posted by: "tailmaster" freedomfyter@yahoo.com   tailmaster

Mon Mar 15, 2010 1:13 pm (PDT)



All big Honda scooter saddles and seating positions, especially if you are 6' (180cm) or more, are superb.

I did the three bears test. I tried the Burger. I tried the Majesty. I tried the Piaggio. Taiwanese, Chinese, Italian, or whatever, I tried them all. Invariably, the seat and leg is where the big Honda scooters consistently win for me at 6'3" (190cm) 205 lbs. (93 kilos).

The Helix enjoys an especially viral cult status, particularly in Japan. Originally, Honda intended to replace the Helix with the Reflex/Forza, but the outcry was so huge that Honda reintroduced the Helix.

I'm squirreling my ducats for a SWing! Maybe next year.

--- In hondareflexowners@yahoogroups.com, George Giftos <gcgiftos@...> wrote:
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> Oh, I just like the power and acceleration the SWing has. It's main drawback is it's weight, but that adds to its stability on the highway. Gas mileage does suffer, however, but i didn't buy a scooter to worry about gas mileage. I bought it for pure enjoyment and the SWing just gives me more of that.
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> George
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> On Mar 15, 2010, at 8:05 AM, thebubblepuppy2004 wrote:
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> > Having personally never ridden a SWing, I'd love to hear your reasons why. I see myself upgrading to it, or it's successor, when my Reflex wears out (or wears ME out).
> >
> > Speaking of which...has the SWing been officially dis-continued??
> >
> > --- In hondareflexowners@yahoogroups.com, George Giftos <gcgiftos@> wrote:
> > >
> > > Both have their followers. The Helix is supposed to have the most comfortable standard seat of all scooters. The real question is which one do you like? The Helix appears to have gained some cult following. I, personally, prefer the SilverWing.
> > >
> > > George
> > >
> > > On Mar 14, 2010, at 9:27 PM, jhcaudill wrote:
> > >
> > > > I guess I'm a little confused. At one time I rode a friend's Honda Helix while he borrowed my Goldwing (2 or 3 week trip he went on). I liked the Helix just fine, and so, when I decided to get a scooter (in addition to my Goldwing) I went looking for a Helix. Along the way, I discovered the Reflex, and promptly purchased a 2002 model. My impression was that the Reflex was the "new and improved" replacement for the Helix (since the Helix was designed in the early 80's). Now, I see ads for 1986 Helix's for upwards of $2000 and later models with asking prices of well over $3,000.
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> > > > Is the Helix a better/more desirable scooter that the Reflex? I thought they had basically the same engine(displacement wise) and drivetrain. Is there more to this story?
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3c.

Re: Reflex vs Helix

Posted by: "brian_cirulnick" techrat@obsolyte.com   brian_cirulnick

Mon Mar 15, 2010 2:28 pm (PDT)





--- In hondareflexowners@yahoogroups.com, "jhcaudill" <jnscaudills@...> wrote:
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> Is the Helix a better/more desirable scooter that the Reflex? I thought they had basically the same engine(displacement wise) and drivetrain. Is there more to this story?
>

The Helix was the replacement for the Elite 250, and the Reflex was the replacement for the Helix.

The Helix shares most of its mechanicals with the Elite 250, which is, radiator upfront and smaller wheels, but, other than that most of both these machines made their way (slightly more refined) into the Reflex.

The Reflex is a little heavier than the previous generations, so my guess is the the Helix is a bit faster off the line. Some people prefer the seating of the Helix (it's more laid-back, like driving a couch).

However, I think you're too low to be seen properly by people driving high in their SUVs, and I wouldn't trust those small wheels at 80mph on a highway.

The Helix has no "underseat" storage, instead, it's behind the rear wheel. The Japanese love the Helix, for the same reason they love the Ruckus -- there's a HUGE third party market for add-ons and customization.

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Re: Reflex vs Helix

Posted by: "BruceK" bruce@aplusservices.com   bruceakoehler

Mon Mar 15, 2010 3:05 pm (PDT)



Honda makes MANY MANY scooter models - few of which make it to the USA. If you visit the Honda Japan site (which is in Japanese), you'll see what I mean.

The Elite 250 was introduced in 1985 and produced through 1990, the Helix was introduced in 1986 and produced off-and-on through 2007.

So it seems that Honda doesn't "replace" scooter models - they introduce them in an overlapping staggered fashion...

For what it's worth

Bruce Koehler - the Koehlerizer
Santa Cruz, CA

--- In hondareflexowners@yahoogroups.com, "brian_cirulnick" <techrat@...> wrote:
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> --- In hondareflexowners@yahoogroups.com, "jhcaudill" <jnscaudills@> wrote:
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> > Is the Helix a better/more desirable scooter that the Reflex? I thought they had basically the same engine(displacement wise) and drivetrain. Is there more to this story?
> >
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> The Helix was the replacement for the Elite 250, and the Reflex was the replacement for the Helix.
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> The Helix shares most of its mechanicals with the Elite 250, which is, radiator upfront and smaller wheels, but, other than that most of both these machines made their way (slightly more refined) into the Reflex.
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> The Reflex is a little heavier than the previous generations, so my guess is the the Helix is a bit faster off the line. Some people prefer the seating of the Helix (it's more laid-back, like driving a couch).
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> However, I think you're too low to be seen properly by people driving high in their SUVs, and I wouldn't trust those small wheels at 80mph on a highway.
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> The Helix has no "underseat" storage, instead, it's behind the rear wheel. The Japanese love the Helix, for the same reason they love the Ruckus -- there's a HUGE third party market for add-ons and customization.
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4a.

Re: {Disarmed} Honda Reflex Group Reflex vs Helix

Posted by: "thebubblepuppy2004" bubblepuppy@dejazzd.com   thebubblepuppy2004

Mon Mar 15, 2010 6:05 pm (PDT)





Thanks for the observations, quite intriguing.

Honda's website does not list a 2010 SWing, see for yourself. Nor will you find ANY on Cycle Trader.com.

ALL your listed Reflex shortcomings are exactly how I feel, and the front suspension feels "dump truck-like" to boot. It has served it's purpose for me quite well, as I learned to ride a bike on it. Just that riding 2-up in hilly PA leaves a person wanting more. But I am not the sort to just trade a "paid for" ride for something newer just for the sake of a little yearning for more power.

Used bike prices seem a bit unfair too...as Honda's are well engineered, it seems THAT factor is not valued by the used market. But I do understand the supply & demand issues. And one day again, I will also be a buyer!

Perhaps as the wear & tear requires more wrenching, I'll decide to give the Flex up & up-size (I've long wondered at what mileage that would be at). In the meantime, I hope Honda comes out with a larger wheeled, larger cc, more modern scooter (EFI), perhaps a tad lighter than the SWing.

Can't a guy just dream a little?

--- In hondareflexowners@yahoogroups.com, Joe Barnhart <flaboye@...> wrote:
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> I own a reflex and silverwing, see my photos section.
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> If you've ever wanted a little more stability in windy situations, a more
> stable ride at high speeds, or more power, (all the things a reflex rider
> sometimes longs for) the Swing delivers.
>
> You can twist this thing's throttle and you are going from 0-100 and kickin
> a** on anything else trying to keep up with you. Yes, I just got back from
> bike week and I outran every single harley that tried to play with me, most
> gsxr's (until they got into 4th or 5th gear), most every custom chopper.
> Nobody could keep up with me as they had to go through gears and I was in my
> powerband the entire time from 0-to about 100 mph where it begins to slow
> it's acceleration down. I drew crowds after racing some of these guys
> because they wanted to know what "kind of scooter" is THAT?!?
>
> You can cruise 65mph on it and be running about 5,000 rpm. It's redline is
> the same as the reflex so you can imagine it's cruising abilities.
>
> It's a reflex on steriods, weighs close to 200 lbs more, and is much more
> comfy on long trips (if you ever do those) It's a parallel twin, smooth,
> it's fuel injected and there are power commanders and some roller weights
> which fit the stock variator and will lower your rpm's at highway speeds
> thus improving fuel economy. If I take it easy and ride 65, I get about 51
> mpg, about 20 less than the reflex (thus my reflex is my daily driver)
>
> I would recommend you go ride one and see for yourself.
>
> No, they are not discontinued I saw 2010 models being advertised (unless I'm
> mistaken), if I am, they were in production through 2009 with no changes
> (like the reflex run) since 2002. I have a 2002 model.
>
> Go ride one you'll love it!
>
>
>
>
> On Mon, Mar 15, 2010 at 7:05 AM, thebubblepuppy2004 <bubblepuppy@...
> > wrote:
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> > Having personally never ridden a SWing, I'd love to hear your reasons why.
> > I see myself upgrading to it, or it's successor, when my Reflex wears out
> > (or wears ME out).
> >
> > Speaking of which...has the SWing been officially dis-continued??
> >
> > --- In hondareflexowners@yahoogroups.com<hondareflexowners%40yahoogroups.com>,
> > George Giftos <gcgiftos@> wrote:
> > >
> > > Both have their followers. The Helix is supposed to have the most
> > comfortable standard seat of all scooters. The real question is which one do
> > you like? The Helix appears to have gained some cult following. I,
> > personally, prefer the SilverWing.
> > >
> > > George
> > >
> > > On Mar 14, 2010, at 9:27 PM, jhcaudill wrote:
> > >
> > > > I guess I'm a little confused. At one time I rode a friend's Honda
> > Helix while he borrowed my Goldwing (2 or 3 week trip he went on). I liked
> > the Helix just fine, and so, when I decided to get a scooter (in addition to
> > my Goldwing) I went looking for a Helix. Along the way, I discovered the
> > Reflex, and promptly purchased a 2002 model. My impression was that the
> > Reflex was the "new and improved" replacement for the Helix (since the Helix
> > was designed in the early 80's). Now, I see ads for 1986 Helix's for upwards
> > of $2000 and later models with asking prices of well over $3,000.
> > > >
> > > > Is the Helix a better/more desirable scooter that the Reflex? I thought
> > they had basically the same engine(displacement wise) and drivetrain. Is
> > there more to this story?
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4b.

Re: {Disarmed} Honda Reflex Group Reflex vs Helix

Posted by: "Joe Barnhart" flaboye@gmail.com   jtbgnsv

Mon Mar 15, 2010 6:38 pm (PDT)



I hear ya!

Well the Swing is EFI, and trust me you don't need ANY more cc's. You also
don't feel like you are on a scooter, it's very motorcycle like. Gotta go
ride one, see for yourself.

As far as what mileage to give up on the flex at, well I'm fast approaching
50k, and by the end of this year I will be approaching 60k. It's not
leaking any fluids, fires right up, it's combustion chamber is clean, it
uses no oil. I have no idea how long it's going to run, but it's showing no
sign of compression loss or any signs of wearing out. I'm just tired of
putting tires on it 3x a year!!, well every 4 1/2 months, close enough.

I will drive mine until it blows up at which time I will say, wow, what an
investment, and proceed to go find another one on the used market.

-Joe

On Mon, Mar 15, 2010 at 9:05 PM, thebubblepuppy2004 <bubblepuppy@dejazzd.com
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> Thanks for the observations, quite intriguing.
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> Honda's website does not list a 2010 SWing, see for yourself. Nor will you
> find ANY on Cycle Trader.com.
>
> ALL your listed Reflex shortcomings are exactly how I feel, and the front
> suspension feels "dump truck-like" to boot. It has served it's purpose for
> me quite well, as I learned to ride a bike on it. Just that riding 2-up in
> hilly PA leaves a person wanting more. But I am not the sort to just trade a
> "paid for" ride for something newer just for the sake of a little yearning
> for more power.
>
> Used bike prices seem a bit unfair too...as Honda's are well engineered, it
> seems THAT factor is not valued by the used market. But I do understand the
> supply & demand issues. And one day again, I will also be a buyer!
>
> Perhaps as the wear & tear requires more wrenching, I'll decide to give the
> Flex up & up-size (I've long wondered at what mileage that would be at). In
> the meantime, I hope Honda comes out with a larger wheeled, larger cc, more
> modern scooter (EFI), perhaps a tad lighter than the SWing.
>
> Can't a guy just dream a little?
>
>
> --- In hondareflexowners@yahoogroups.com<hondareflexowners%40yahoogroups.com>,
> Joe Barnhart <flaboye@...> wrote:
> >
> > I own a reflex and silverwing, see my photos section.
> >
> > If you've ever wanted a little more stability in windy situations, a more
> > stable ride at high speeds, or more power, (all the things a reflex rider
> > sometimes longs for) the Swing delivers.
> >
> > You can twist this thing's throttle and you are going from 0-100 and
> kickin
> > a** on anything else trying to keep up with you. Yes, I just got back
> from
> > bike week and I outran every single harley that tried to play with me,
> most
> > gsxr's (until they got into 4th or 5th gear), most every custom chopper.
> > Nobody could keep up with me as they had to go through gears and I was in
> my
> > powerband the entire time from 0-to about 100 mph where it begins to slow
> > it's acceleration down. I drew crowds after racing some of these guys
> > because they wanted to know what "kind of scooter" is THAT?!?
> >
> > You can cruise 65mph on it and be running about 5,000 rpm. It's redline
> is
> > the same as the reflex so you can imagine it's cruising abilities.
> >
> > It's a reflex on steriods, weighs close to 200 lbs more, and is much more
> > comfy on long trips (if you ever do those) It's a parallel twin, smooth,
> > it's fuel injected and there are power commanders and some roller weights
> > which fit the stock variator and will lower your rpm's at highway speeds
> > thus improving fuel economy. If I take it easy and ride 65, I get about
> 51
> > mpg, about 20 less than the reflex (thus my reflex is my daily driver)
> >
> > I would recommend you go ride one and see for yourself.
> >
> > No, they are not discontinued I saw 2010 models being advertised (unless
> I'm
> > mistaken), if I am, they were in production through 2009 with no changes
> > (like the reflex run) since 2002. I have a 2002 model.
> >
> > Go ride one you'll love it!
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > On Mon, Mar 15, 2010 at 7:05 AM, thebubblepuppy2004 <bubblepuppy@...
>
> > > wrote:
> >
> > >
> > >
> > > Having personally never ridden a SWing, I'd love to hear your reasons
> why.
> > > I see myself upgrading to it, or it's successor, when my Reflex wears
> out
> > > (or wears ME out).
> > >
> > > Speaking of which...has the SWing been officially dis-continued??
> > >
> > > --- In hondareflexowners@yahoogroups.com<hondareflexowners%40yahoogroups.com>
> <hondareflexowners%40yahoogroups.com>,
>
> > > George Giftos <gcgiftos@> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Both have their followers. The Helix is supposed to have the most
> > > comfortable standard seat of all scooters. The real question is which
> one do
> > > you like? The Helix appears to have gained some cult following. I,
> > > personally, prefer the SilverWing.
> > > >
> > > > George
> > > >
> > > > On Mar 14, 2010, at 9:27 PM, jhcaudill wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > I guess I'm a little confused. At one time I rode a friend's Honda
> > > Helix while he borrowed my Goldwing (2 or 3 week trip he went on). I
> liked
> > > the Helix just fine, and so, when I decided to get a scooter (in
> addition to
> > > my Goldwing) I went looking for a Helix. Along the way, I discovered
> the
> > > Reflex, and promptly purchased a 2002 model. My impression was that the
> > > Reflex was the "new and improved" replacement for the Helix (since the
> Helix
> > > was designed in the early 80's). Now, I see ads for 1986 Helix's for
> upwards
> > > of $2000 and later models with asking prices of well over $3,000.
> > > > >
> > > > > Is the Helix a better/more desirable scooter that the Reflex? I
> thought
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Re: {Disarmed} Honda Reflex Group Reflex vs Helix

Posted by: "willyjumpup" 6at2004@optonline.net   willyjumpup

Mon Mar 15, 2010 7:57 pm (PDT)



If you can believe it, there is a brand new helix in Ebay item number 380214771851. What I remember last summer is a couple of people nearby who owned motorhomes like myself who were talking about how lucyy they were to find a helix to haul behing their motorhome. It looked clunky to me compared to the Reflex. I prefer the looks of a Reflex but the helix looks like it stores more underneath the seat. I use the Reflex on the bach of my motorhome. I'd rather look cool.

--- In hondareflexowners@yahoogroups.com, Joe Barnhart <flaboye@...> wrote:
>
> I hear ya!
>
> Well the Swing is EFI, and trust me you don't need ANY more cc's. You also
> don't feel like you are on a scooter, it's very motorcycle like. Gotta go
> ride one, see for yourself.
>
> As far as what mileage to give up on the flex at, well I'm fast approaching
> 50k, and by the end of this year I will be approaching 60k. It's not
> leaking any fluids, fires right up, it's combustion chamber is clean, it
> uses no oil. I have no idea how long it's going to run, but it's showing no
> sign of compression loss or any signs of wearing out. I'm just tired of
> putting tires on it 3x a year!!, well every 4 1/2 months, close enough.
>
> I will drive mine until it blows up at which time I will say, wow, what an
> investment, and proceed to go find another one on the used market.
>
> -Joe
>
> On Mon, Mar 15, 2010 at 9:05 PM, thebubblepuppy2004 <bubblepuppy@...
> > wrote:
>
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Thanks for the observations, quite intriguing.
> >
> > Honda's website does not list a 2010 SWing, see for yourself. Nor will you
> > find ANY on Cycle Trader.com.
> >
> > ALL your listed Reflex shortcomings are exactly how I feel, and the front
> > suspension feels "dump truck-like" to boot. It has served it's purpose for
> > me quite well, as I learned to ride a bike on it. Just that riding 2-up in
> > hilly PA leaves a person wanting more. But I am not the sort to just trade a
> > "paid for" ride for something newer just for the sake of a little yearning
> > for more power.
> >
> > Used bike prices seem a bit unfair too...as Honda's are well engineered, it
> > seems THAT factor is not valued by the used market. But I do understand the
> > supply & demand issues. And one day again, I will also be a buyer!
> >
> > Perhaps as the wear & tear requires more wrenching, I'll decide to give the
> > Flex up & up-size (I've long wondered at what mileage that would be at). In
> > the meantime, I hope Honda comes out with a larger wheeled, larger cc, more
> > modern scooter (EFI), perhaps a tad lighter than the SWing.
> >
> > Can't a guy just dream a little?
> >
> >
> > --- In hondareflexowners@yahoogroups.com<hondareflexowners%40yahoogroups.com>,
> > Joe Barnhart <flaboye@> wrote:
> > >
> > > I own a reflex and silverwing, see my photos section.
> > >
> > > If you've ever wanted a little more stability in windy situations, a more
> > > stable ride at high speeds, or more power, (all the things a reflex rider
> > > sometimes longs for) the Swing delivers.
> > >
> > > You can twist this thing's throttle and you are going from 0-100 and
> > kickin
> > > a** on anything else trying to keep up with you. Yes, I just got back
> > from
> > > bike week and I outran every single harley that tried to play with me,
> > most
> > > gsxr's (until they got into 4th or 5th gear), most every custom chopper.
> > > Nobody could keep up with me as they had to go through gears and I was in
> > my
> > > powerband the entire time from 0-to about 100 mph where it begins to slow
> > > it's acceleration down. I drew crowds after racing some of these guys
> > > because they wanted to know what "kind of scooter" is THAT?!?
> > >
> > > You can cruise 65mph on it and be running about 5,000 rpm. It's redline
> > is
> > > the same as the reflex so you can imagine it's cruising abilities.
> > >
> > > It's a reflex on steriods, weighs close to 200 lbs more, and is much more
> > > comfy on long trips (if you ever do those) It's a parallel twin, smooth,
> > > it's fuel injected and there are power commanders and some roller weights
> > > which fit the stock variator and will lower your rpm's at highway speeds
> > > thus improving fuel economy. If I take it easy and ride 65, I get about
> > 51
> > > mpg, about 20 less than the reflex (thus my reflex is my daily driver)
> > >
> > > I would recommend you go ride one and see for yourself.
> > >
> > > No, they are not discontinued I saw 2010 models being advertised (unless
> > I'm
> > > mistaken), if I am, they were in production through 2009 with no changes
> > > (like the reflex run) since 2002. I have a 2002 model.
> > >
> > > Go ride one you'll love it!
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > On Mon, Mar 15, 2010 at 7:05 AM, thebubblepuppy2004 <bubblepuppy@
> >
> > > > wrote:
> > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Having personally never ridden a SWing, I'd love to hear your reasons
> > why.
> > > > I see myself upgrading to it, or it's successor, when my Reflex wears
> > out
> > > > (or wears ME out).
> > > >
> > > > Speaking of which...has the SWing been officially dis-continued??
> > > >
> > > > --- In hondareflexowners@yahoogroups.com<hondareflexowners%40yahoogroups.com>
> > <hondareflexowners%40yahoogroups.com>,
> >
> > > > George Giftos <gcgiftos@> wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > Both have their followers. The Helix is supposed to have the most
> > > > comfortable standard seat of all scooters. The real question is which
> > one do
> > > > you like? The Helix appears to have gained some cult following. I,
> > > > personally, prefer the SilverWing.
> > > > >
> > > > > George
> > > > >
> > > > > On Mar 14, 2010, at 9:27 PM, jhcaudill wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > > I guess I'm a little confused. At one time I rode a friend's Honda
> > > > Helix while he borrowed my Goldwing (2 or 3 week trip he went on). I
> > liked
> > > > the Helix just fine, and so, when I decided to get a scooter (in
> > addition to
> > > > my Goldwing) I went looking for a Helix. Along the way, I discovered
> > the
> > > > Reflex, and promptly purchased a 2002 model. My impression was that the
> > > > Reflex was the "new and improved" replacement for the Helix (since the
> > Helix
> > > > was designed in the early 80's). Now, I see ads for 1986 Helix's for
> > upwards
> > > > of $2000 and later models with asking prices of well over $3,000.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Is the Helix a better/more desirable scooter that the Reflex? I
> > thought
> > > > they had basically the same engine(displacement wise) and drivetrain.
> > Is
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Re: {Disarmed} Honda Reflex Group Reflex vs Helix

Posted by: "rvtips" rvtips@yahoo.com   rvtips

Mon Mar 15, 2010 11:13 pm (PDT)



Silver Wing Helix apples and oranges.
Phillip

--- In hondareflexowners@yahoogroups.com, George Giftos <gcgiftos@...> wrote:
>
> Both have their followers. The Helix is supposed to have the most comfortable standard seat of all scooters. The real question is which one do you like? The Helix appears to have gained some cult following. I, personally, prefer the SilverWing.
>
> George
>
> On Mar 14, 2010, at 9:27 PM, jhcaudill wrote:
>
> > I guess I'm a little confused. At one time I rode a friend's Honda Helix while he borrowed my Goldwing (2 or 3 week trip he went on). I liked the Helix just fine, and so, when I decided to get a scooter (in addition to my Goldwing) I went looking for a Helix. Along the way, I discovered the Reflex, and promptly purchased a 2002 model. My impression was that the Reflex was the "new and improved" replacement for the Helix (since the Helix was designed in the early 80's). Now, I see ads for 1986 Helix's for upwards of $2000 and later models with asking prices of well over $3,000.
> >
> > Is the Helix a better/more desirable scooter that the Reflex? I thought they had basically the same engine(displacement wise) and drivetrain. Is there more to this story?
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