Monday, March 15, 2010

Honda Reflex Group Digest Number 4766

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1a.

Re: The Darkside's newest member

Posted by: "Tim Hansen" phreadbarnz@gmail.com   phreadbarnz

Sun Mar 14, 2010 7:53 am (PDT)



I did the brake pads as well.
I do have a tire changer, but I'm getting old and my levers aren't long
enough for the 12" wheel.
I also needed a valve stem as there was a tube in the tire. The same shop
put in the tube after I picked up a nail with 100 miles on a new Hoop. This
shop is around the corner and the 'tire guy' is big, young, and has longgggg
levers.

I'll do the valves (mine have never needed adjustment) when I do the next
belt @30,000 or possibly the next oil @24,000.

TravlinTim (who will be running errands today on his darksided Reflex)
Hansen
phreadbarnz@iwon.com

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From: "thebubblepuppy2004" <bubblepuppy@dejazzd.com>
Sent: Sunday, March 14, 2010 4:06 AM
To: <hondareflexowners@yahoogroups.com>
Subject: Honda Reflex Group Re: The Darkside's newest member

> What a coincidence. So did I. Exact tire from the exact same folks.
>
> That, plus rear brake pads, final drive oil, Dr. Pulley sliders, new belt,
> valve adjustment, & re-gapped the spark plug. This was my 36k maintenance
> interval, even though I'm only at 35k presently. The rear Hoop being shot
> dictated the timing.
>
> The skins are waiting to go back on (this A.M.), and I am anxious to give
> it a spin. Unfortunately, ANOTHER nor'easter is drowning us out AGAIN, in
> E. PA. Hopefully I can test it out today.
>
> Tim, I thought you had a tire changer...why'd you pay for the tire mount?
> Sounds un-Tim like.
>


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Re: The Darkside's newest member

Posted by: "tailmaster" freedomfyter@yahoo.com   tailmaster

Sun Mar 14, 2010 9:37 am (PDT)



Gee, I'm thinking the trend is growing. Welcome!

I'm taking my darkside to the Tail of the Dragon shortly. Of course, there will be pictures.

I'm also selling a 145/80R12 Goodyear President at cost, $55. They'll be on eBay soon.

--- In hondareflexowners@yahoogroups.com, Joe Barnhart <flaboye@...> wrote:
>
> Well, I think I might mount my federal which has been sitting, I am on a
> worn rear avon right now at 8,000 and with the miles I rack up I can either
> try another set of hoops which got 10,000 on the rear or I can just mount
> the federal.
>
> It's good to hear you are trying this. I remember when I asked about this a
> year ago, you were one of the ones asking "why would I consider doing it"
>
> So, economics I see and the fact that you said "by the time I change tires
> mine is squared anyway" exactly. One of the reasons I think it's "safe
> enough" for a reflex and what we do with ours, as you said, everyday riding.
>
> I'll post when I decide which way I'm going which is going to be within a
> week.
>
> I just don't see why they can't put a litte technology into cruiser and
> scooter tires and do something about the crappy mileage we get off of them.
>
>
> And, yea, I know for everyone who rides 1,000 miles a year it's not a big
> deal, I ride 1000 miles every 3 weeks, so to me it's a big deal.
>
> Joe
>
> On Sun, Mar 14, 2010 at 2:44 AM, Tim Hansen <phreadbarnz@...> wrote:
>
> >
> >
> > I installed a "Classiro GT" 145/70x12 today.
> > This tire was shipped from Seven Enterprises Ltd. in Auburn, CA.
> > (www.7ent.com)
> > I had a local independent motorcycle shop install it on the wheel.
> >
> > I've put on close to 50,000 miles on two Reflexes. Because of the way I
> > ride and my weight, I average ~5,500 miles on a rear tire. The total cost
> > of the tire/shipping/installation was about 2x an OEM Hoop installed. Even
> > if I only get 11,000 miles on this tire, I've broken even. I expect to get
> > 5 years worth of everyday riding.
> >
> > I know that there are some on this list who think that installing a car
> > tire
> > on the rear of a Reflex is stupid/dangerous/un-wise/etc. I am fully aware
> > of the risks involved. On every OEM Hoop I've had, by the time the rear
> > tire's wear indicators are showing, the tire has been squared off. I don't
> > anticipate the handling to be that much different. I did take it out for a
> > short spin and didn't notice anything out of the ordinary.
> >
> > Be certain that I will (try and) post every day so you can know that I
> > haven't met a horrible/terrible death due to my new rear tire.
> >
> > TravlinTim (who is looking forward to his next few mpg calculations as
> > well)
> > Hansen
> > phreadbarnz@... <phreadbarnz%40iwon.com>
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>

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Re: The Darkside's newest member

Posted by: "Michael" mbr987@comcast.net   bandito_two

Sun Mar 14, 2010 10:27 am (PDT)



--- In hondareflexowners@yahoogroups.com, "Tim Hansen" <phreadbarnz@...> wrote:
>
> I installed a "Classiro GT" 145/70x12 today.
> This tire was shipped from Seven Enterprises Ltd. in Auburn, CA.
> (www.7ent.com)
> I had a local independent motorcycle shop install it on the wheel.
>
> I've put on close to 50,000 miles on two Reflexes. Because of the
> way I ride and my weight, I average ~5,500 miles on a rear tire.
> The total cost of the tire/shipping/installation was about 2x an
> OEM Hoop installed. Even if I only get 11,000 miles on this tire,
> I've broken even. I expect to get 5 years worth of everyday riding.
>
> I know that there are some on this list who think that installing a
> car tire on the rear of a Reflex is stupid/dangerous/un-wise/etc.
> I am fully aware of the risks involved. On every OEM Hoop I've
> had, by the time the rear tire's wear indicators are showing, the
> tire has been squared off. I don't anticipate the handling to be
> that much different. I did take it out for a short spin and didn't
> notice anything out of the ordinary.
>
> Be certain that I will (try and) post every day so you can know
> that I haven't met a horrible/terrible death due to my new rear
> tire.
>
> TravlinTim (who is looking forward to his next few mpg calculations
> as well)
> Hansen
> phreadbarnz@...
>
//////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////

Welcome to the "Darkside" Tim. I don't think you will be disappointed
with the handling and wear of the car tire. You should notice a small
improvement in fuel economy, but maybe not enough to get real excited
about. At least not until gas gets something beyond $3/gal. It's Then
that every little bit WILL make a difference. I have the opinion that
gas prices will go up significantly this year. (just a gut feeling.)
For myself, a more significant improvement in MPG came with not being
so heavy with the throttle and puting the 155/80R12 on back, which is
a taller tire and has even more of that higher gearing effect. But it
involves modifying the swingarm, which is something that some are not
willing to do. The other thing most are unwilling to do, (mainly
because they are not aware of the concept) is puting a rear scooter
tire on the front. Actually puting a rear tire up front is something
that even most mainstream darksiders don't do. Even for them it can
be controversial. It's still mostly experimental so the jury is still
out on that idea. However, as it is with the car tire on back, I have
confidence and comfort with the performance so far. And, also as it was with the car tire on back, there was a brief period of adjustment to the feel/handling that was slightly different than the standard
scooter tire. Not difficult, just a little different.

BTW, I put right at 11,000 miles on the 145/70R12 on the 2004 Reflex
before I changed over to the 155/80R12 car tire and it barely shows any wear. Remember, I changed over to the 155/80R12 ONLY because it
was a taller tire. The 145/70R12 is my "spare" all set on a rim with
bearings and brake disk just ready to mount when needed.
(this will be posted over on the other group as well.)

Enjoy your new ride.

Mike B.

(Rochester Hills Michigan Double Dark Side Rider)
(2007 Honda NSS250S Reflex Sport "Scarlet")
(2006 Honda FSC600A Silverwing "Jester")
( Both with a car tire on the rear )
(and scooter rear tire on the front)

"Great ideas often receive violent opposition from mediocre minds." - Albert Einstein

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1d.

Re: The Darkside's newest member

Posted by: "thebubblepuppy2004" bubblepuppy@dejazzd.com   thebubblepuppy2004

Sun Mar 14, 2010 12:12 pm (PDT)



This is almost a little spooky....

I also replaced my valve stem. The old one wasn't bad, just "old & original". I posed the question here a few months back about them, then bought 2 of these:

http://tinyurl.com/yzfqnze

It would be a shame if the lil ol' valve stem is what caused you to farm out the tire labor, cuz the stem was real easy to install. Now that TIRE, on the other hand, let me tell you!

I thought you were one of those Merlin Olsen type fellas. Me, on the other hand, is a Danny DeVito type fella, at 5'6". I'm not gonna lie though, that tire took ALOT of effort to get on the rim. The ONE lever that comes with the tire changer was NOT ENOUGH...I also needed 2 large screwdrivers, Armour All and a carpenter's clamp too (note to self...go out & buy 3 large "C" clamps!).

Now all I gotta do is put it all back together.

Bubble

PS: The clutch shoes @ 35k have LOTS of life left.

--- In hondareflexowners@yahoogroups.com, "Tim Hansen" <phreadbarnz@...> wrote:
>
> I did the brake pads as well.
> I do have a tire changer, but I'm getting old and my levers aren't long
> enough for the 12" wheel.
> I also needed a valve stem as there was a tube in the tire. The same shop
> put in the tube after I picked up a nail with 100 miles on a new Hoop. This
> shop is around the corner and the 'tire guy' is big, young, and has longgggg
> levers.
>
> I'll do the valves (mine have never needed adjustment) when I do the next
> belt @30,000 or possibly the next oil @24,000.
>
> TravlinTim (who will be running errands today on his darksided Reflex)
> Hansen
> phreadbarnz@...
>
>
> --------------------------------------------------
> From: "thebubblepuppy2004" <bubblepuppy@...>
> Sent: Sunday, March 14, 2010 4:06 AM
> To: <hondareflexowners@yahoogroups.com>
> Subject: Honda Reflex Group Re: The Darkside's newest member
>
> > What a coincidence. So did I. Exact tire from the exact same folks.
> >
> > That, plus rear brake pads, final drive oil, Dr. Pulley sliders, new belt,
> > valve adjustment, & re-gapped the spark plug. This was my 36k maintenance
> > interval, even though I'm only at 35k presently. The rear Hoop being shot
> > dictated the timing.
> >
> > The skins are waiting to go back on (this A.M.), and I am anxious to give
> > it a spin. Unfortunately, ANOTHER nor'easter is drowning us out AGAIN, in
> > E. PA. Hopefully I can test it out today.
> >
> > Tim, I thought you had a tire changer...why'd you pay for the tire mount?
> > Sounds un-Tim like.
> >
>

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Re: The Darkside's newest member

Posted by: "Tim Hansen" phreadbarnz@gmail.com   phreadbarnz

Sun Mar 14, 2010 5:27 pm (PDT)



While I am sort of 'burley', I've watched 'tire guys' work and I don't have
the tools required.
The guy who did my car tire places the wheel on the ground to get the second
bead on (with the help of LONGGGGG levers and his knees).
I will look for longer levers and will most likely do my own front tire next
time it needs replacing.

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From: "thebubblepuppy2004" <bubblepuppy@dejazzd.com>
Sent: Sunday, March 14, 2010 12:10 PM
To: <hondareflexowners@yahoogroups.com>
Subject: Honda Reflex Group Re: The Darkside's newest member

> This is almost a little spooky....
>
> I also replaced my valve stem. The old one wasn't bad, just "old &
> original". I posed the question here a few months back about them, then
> bought 2 of these:
>
> http://tinyurl.com/yzfqnze
>
> It would be a shame if the lil ol' valve stem is what caused you to farm
> out the tire labor, cuz the stem was real easy to install. Now that TIRE,
> on the other hand, let me tell you!
>
> I thought you were one of those Merlin Olsen type fellas. Me, on the other
> hand, is a Danny DeVito type fella, at 5'6". I'm not gonna lie though,
> that tire took ALOT of effort to get on the rim. The ONE lever that comes
> with the tire changer was NOT ENOUGH...I also needed 2 large screwdrivers,
> Armour All and a carpenter's clamp too (note to self...go out & buy 3
> large "C" clamps!).
>
> Now all I gotta do is put it all back together.
>
> Bubble
>
> PS: The clutch shoes @ 35k have LOTS of life left.
>


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Re: Howdy from way up north!!Need help!!

Posted by: "s" samzbamz@myway.com   samzbamz

Sun Mar 14, 2010 1:13 pm (PDT)





I just looked at the odo on my '01 It's got 7,700 miles not 6K thats low mileage right?? The rear tire look's like it's getting down there
Can't see the inner tube yet..ha..ha.. also slight checking on the front!!whats a good replacement tire?? Anything better!! I've got tire tools ,Whats the way to go!! it's 58F here today!!Crazy weather...

Liv2ride,
Scott

--- In hondareflexowners@yahoogroups.com, "BruceK" <bruce@...> wrote:
>
> Have look in the FILES section for the routine maintenance list.
>
> There are no LEGAL downloads of the service manual, but often there are used ones on eBay. The manual is the same for all years and models of Reflex.
>
> Watch out for rust in the gas tank - have a look in the FILES section - fuel tank replacement - for great example photos. Hopefully you filled the tanks before storage...
>
> Consider replacing belt and tires DUE TO AGING - 6 years is about the max safe life for the structure of these.
>
> Hope that helps
>
> Bruce Koehler - the Koehlerizer
> Santa Cruz, CA
>
> --- In hondareflexowners@yahoogroups.com, "samzbamz" <samzbamz@> wrote:
> >
> > Hi All,
> > I have 2 reflex's '01 and '04 weather is starting to get warmer here.
> > All I have done to these bikes is change oil and air filter and spark
> > plug!
> > The '01 has 6k the '04 has 4k... what else do i need to do now to get
> > them ready for summer!!I have the big givi windshield on my '01 and plan
> > on using it to commute to work! anywhere to download a service manual??
> > Thanks for your help,Scott A MathiesDayton MN
> >
> >
> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> >
>

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Re: Howdy from way up north!!Need help!!

Posted by: "Tim Hansen" phreadbarnz@gmail.com   phreadbarnz

Sun Mar 14, 2010 5:28 pm (PDT)



Can't go wrong with the OEM Bridgestone Hoop.
Many people have tried many different brands and have posted messages about
them.
You could do a search of the message archives for LOTS of information.

TravlinTim (who rides on the darkside) Hansen
phreadbarnz@iwon.com

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From: "s" <samzbamz@myway.com>
Sent: Sunday, March 14, 2010 1:10 PM
To: <hondareflexowners@yahoogroups.com>
Subject: Honda Reflex Group Re: Howdy from way up north!!Need help!!

>
>
>
> I just looked at the odo on my '01 It's got 7,700 miles not 6K thats low
> mileage right?? The rear tire look's like it's getting down there
> Can't see the inner tube yet..ha..ha.. also slight checking on the
> front!!whats a good replacement tire?? Anything better!! I've got tire
> tools ,Whats the way to go!! it's 58F here today!!Crazy weather...
>
> Liv2ride,
> Scott
>


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Re: Howdy from way up north!!Need help!!

Posted by: "Joe Barnhart" flaboye@gmail.com   jtbgnsv

Sun Mar 14, 2010 5:36 pm (PDT)



I got 12,000 out of the last rear OEM and almost 14,000 out of the last
front OEM.

My friend's 05 has 11,000 miles on it with the original tires, his front
still looks good, the rear is a bit worn.

I probably rode mine longer than others would have.

This last round I put on avon stryke's. At 8,000 the rear looks like the
oem hoop did at 12,000, however the front avon still looks good.

Here's the video we took at bike week of the harley's doing burnouts:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wUQr5Sjlvxo

On Sun, Mar 14, 2010 at 8:28 PM, Tim Hansen <phreadbarnz@gmail.com> wrote:

>
>
> Can't go wrong with the OEM Bridgestone Hoop.
> Many people have tried many different brands and have posted messages about
>
> them.
> You could do a search of the message archives for LOTS of information.
>
> TravlinTim (who rides on the darkside) Hansen
> phreadbarnz@iwon.com <phreadbarnz%40iwon.com>
>
> --------------------------------------------------
> From: "s" <samzbamz@myway.com <samzbamz%40myway.com>>
> Sent: Sunday, March 14, 2010 1:10 PM
> To: <hondareflexowners@yahoogroups.com<hondareflexowners%40yahoogroups.com>
> >
> Subject: Honda Reflex Group Re: Howdy from way up north!!Need help!!
>
> >
> >
> >
> > I just looked at the odo on my '01 It's got 7,700 miles not 6K thats low
> > mileage right?? The rear tire look's like it's getting down there
> > Can't see the inner tube yet..ha..ha.. also slight checking on the
> > front!!whats a good replacement tire?? Anything better!! I've got tire
> > tools ,Whats the way to go!! it's 58F here today!!Crazy weather...
> >
> > Liv2ride,
> > Scott
> >
>
>
>
>

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Re: Howdy from way up north!!Need help!!

Posted by: "rvtips" rvtips@yahoo.com   rvtips

Sun Mar 14, 2010 11:37 pm (PDT)



Get that tire off !!!
It is at least 9 years old maybe 10,The one on my 2002 was 9 years old.
The rubber drys out and ir will go down.
Phillip/riding my 02 around Palm Springs with the car tire on the rear and lovin it.75 today,more heat to come.

--- In hondareflexowners@yahoogroups.com, "s" <samzbamz@...> wrote:
>
>
>
>
> I just looked at the odo on my '01 It's got 7,700 miles not 6K thats low mileage right?? The rear tire look's like it's getting down there
> Can't see the inner tube yet..ha..ha.. also slight checking on the front!!whats a good replacement tire?? Anything better!! I've got tire tools ,Whats the way to go!! it's 58F here today!!Crazy weather...
>
> Liv2ride,
> Scott
>
> --- In hondareflexowners@yahoogroups.com, "BruceK" <bruce@> wrote:
> >
> > Have look in the FILES section for the routine maintenance list.
> >
> > There are no LEGAL downloads of the service manual, but often there are used ones on eBay. The manual is the same for all years and models of Reflex.
> >
> > Watch out for rust in the gas tank - have a look in the FILES section - fuel tank replacement - for great example photos. Hopefully you filled the tanks before storage...
> >
> > Consider replacing belt and tires DUE TO AGING - 6 years is about the max safe life for the structure of these.
> >
> > Hope that helps
> >
> > Bruce Koehler - the Koehlerizer
> > Santa Cruz, CA
> >
> > --- In hondareflexowners@yahoogroups.com, "samzbamz" <samzbamz@> wrote:
> > >
> > > Hi All,
> > > I have 2 reflex's '01 and '04 weather is starting to get warmer here.
> > > All I have done to these bikes is change oil and air filter and spark
> > > plug!
> > > The '01 has 6k the '04 has 4k... what else do i need to do now to get
> > > them ready for summer!!I have the big givi windshield on my '01 and plan
> > > on using it to commute to work! anywhere to download a service manual??
> > > Thanks for your help,Scott A MathiesDayton MN
> > >
> > >
> > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> > >
> >
>

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Reflex vs Helix

Posted by: "jhcaudill" jnscaudills@msn.com   jhcaudill

Sun Mar 14, 2010 6:27 pm (PDT)



I guess I'm a little confused. At one time I rode a friend's Honda Helix while he borrowed my Goldwing (2 or 3 week trip he went on). I liked the Helix just fine, and so, when I decided to get a scooter (in addition to my Goldwing) I went looking for a Helix. Along the way, I discovered the Reflex, and promptly purchased a 2002 model. My impression was that the Reflex was the "new and improved" replacement for the Helix (since the Helix was designed in the early 80's). Now, I see ads for 1986 Helix's for upwards of $2000 and later models with asking prices of well over $3,000.

Is the Helix a better/more desirable scooter that the Reflex? I thought they had basically the same engine(displacement wise) and drivetrain. Is there more to this story?

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Re: Reflex vs Helix

Posted by: "rvtips" rvtips@yahoo.com   rvtips

Sun Mar 14, 2010 11:14 pm (PDT)




They do but they ride so much better than our Reflexs.They are smooth over bumps and pot holes.If they were as good at higher speeds like on the freeway,I would get rid of my Reflex and get one.
Phillip
--- In hondareflexowners@yahoogroups.com, "jhcaudill" <jnscaudills@...> wrote:
>
> I guess I'm a little confused. At one time I rode a friend's Honda Helix while he borrowed my Goldwing (2 or 3 week trip he went on). I liked the Helix just fine, and so, when I decided to get a scooter (in addition to my Goldwing) I went looking for a Helix. Along the way, I discovered the Reflex, and promptly purchased a 2002 model. My impression was that the Reflex was the "new and improved" replacement for the Helix (since the Helix was designed in the early 80's). Now, I see ads for 1986 Helix's for upwards of $2000 and later models with asking prices of well over $3,000.
>
> Is the Helix a better/more desirable scooter that the Reflex? I thought they had basically the same engine(displacement wise) and drivetrain. Is there more to this story?
>

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Re: {Disarmed} Honda Reflex Group Reflex vs Helix

Posted by: "George Giftos" gcgiftos@utmi.net   gcgiftos

Mon Mar 15, 2010 4:13 am (PDT)



Both have their followers. The Helix is supposed to have the most comfortable standard seat of all scooters. The real question is which one do you like? The Helix appears to have gained some cult following. I, personally, prefer the SilverWing.

George

On Mar 14, 2010, at 9:27 PM, jhcaudill wrote:

> I guess I'm a little confused. At one time I rode a friend's Honda Helix while he borrowed my Goldwing (2 or 3 week trip he went on). I liked the Helix just fine, and so, when I decided to get a scooter (in addition to my Goldwing) I went looking for a Helix. Along the way, I discovered the Reflex, and promptly purchased a 2002 model. My impression was that the Reflex was the "new and improved" replacement for the Helix (since the Helix was designed in the early 80's). Now, I see ads for 1986 Helix's for upwards of $2000 and later models with asking prices of well over $3,000.
>
> Is the Helix a better/more desirable scooter that the Reflex? I thought they had basically the same engine(displacement wise) and drivetrain. Is there more to this story?
>
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Re: {Disarmed} Honda Reflex Group Reflex vs Helix

Posted by: "thebubblepuppy2004" bubblepuppy@dejazzd.com   thebubblepuppy2004

Mon Mar 15, 2010 5:10 am (PDT)



Having personally never ridden a SWing, I'd love to hear your reasons why. I see myself upgrading to it, or it's successor, when my Reflex wears out (or wears ME out).

Speaking of which...has the SWing been officially dis-continued??

--- In hondareflexowners@yahoogroups.com, George Giftos <gcgiftos@...> wrote:
>
> Both have their followers. The Helix is supposed to have the most comfortable standard seat of all scooters. The real question is which one do you like? The Helix appears to have gained some cult following. I, personally, prefer the SilverWing.
>
> George
>
> On Mar 14, 2010, at 9:27 PM, jhcaudill wrote:
>
> > I guess I'm a little confused. At one time I rode a friend's Honda Helix while he borrowed my Goldwing (2 or 3 week trip he went on). I liked the Helix just fine, and so, when I decided to get a scooter (in addition to my Goldwing) I went looking for a Helix. Along the way, I discovered the Reflex, and promptly purchased a 2002 model. My impression was that the Reflex was the "new and improved" replacement for the Helix (since the Helix was designed in the early 80's). Now, I see ads for 1986 Helix's for upwards of $2000 and later models with asking prices of well over $3,000.
> >
> > Is the Helix a better/more desirable scooter that the Reflex? I thought they had basically the same engine(displacement wise) and drivetrain. Is there more to this story?
> >
> >
> >
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Re: {Disarmed} Honda Reflex Group Reflex vs Helix

Posted by: "Joe Barnhart" flaboye@gmail.com   jtbgnsv

Mon Mar 15, 2010 5:22 am (PDT)



I own a reflex and silverwing, see my photos section.

If you've ever wanted a little more stability in windy situations, a more
stable ride at high speeds, or more power, (all the things a reflex rider
sometimes longs for) the Swing delivers.

You can twist this thing's throttle and you are going from 0-100 and kickin
a** on anything else trying to keep up with you. Yes, I just got back from
bike week and I outran every single harley that tried to play with me, most
gsxr's (until they got into 4th or 5th gear), most every custom chopper.
Nobody could keep up with me as they had to go through gears and I was in my
powerband the entire time from 0-to about 100 mph where it begins to slow
it's acceleration down. I drew crowds after racing some of these guys
because they wanted to know what "kind of scooter" is THAT?!?

You can cruise 65mph on it and be running about 5,000 rpm. It's redline is
the same as the reflex so you can imagine it's cruising abilities.

It's a reflex on steriods, weighs close to 200 lbs more, and is much more
comfy on long trips (if you ever do those) It's a parallel twin, smooth,
it's fuel injected and there are power commanders and some roller weights
which fit the stock variator and will lower your rpm's at highway speeds
thus improving fuel economy. If I take it easy and ride 65, I get about 51
mpg, about 20 less than the reflex (thus my reflex is my daily driver)

I would recommend you go ride one and see for yourself.

No, they are not discontinued I saw 2010 models being advertised (unless I'm
mistaken), if I am, they were in production through 2009 with no changes
(like the reflex run) since 2002. I have a 2002 model.

Go ride one you'll love it!

On Mon, Mar 15, 2010 at 7:05 AM, thebubblepuppy2004 <bubblepuppy@dejazzd.com
> wrote:

>
>
> Having personally never ridden a SWing, I'd love to hear your reasons why.
> I see myself upgrading to it, or it's successor, when my Reflex wears out
> (or wears ME out).
>
> Speaking of which...has the SWing been officially dis-continued??
>
> --- In hondareflexowners@yahoogroups.com<hondareflexowners%40yahoogroups.com>,
> George Giftos <gcgiftos@...> wrote:
> >
> > Both have their followers. The Helix is supposed to have the most
> comfortable standard seat of all scooters. The real question is which one do
> you like? The Helix appears to have gained some cult following. I,
> personally, prefer the SilverWing.
> >
> > George
> >
> > On Mar 14, 2010, at 9:27 PM, jhcaudill wrote:
> >
> > > I guess I'm a little confused. At one time I rode a friend's Honda
> Helix while he borrowed my Goldwing (2 or 3 week trip he went on). I liked
> the Helix just fine, and so, when I decided to get a scooter (in addition to
> my Goldwing) I went looking for a Helix. Along the way, I discovered the
> Reflex, and promptly purchased a 2002 model. My impression was that the
> Reflex was the "new and improved" replacement for the Helix (since the Helix
> was designed in the early 80's). Now, I see ads for 1986 Helix's for upwards
> of $2000 and later models with asking prices of well over $3,000.
> > >
> > > Is the Helix a better/more desirable scooter that the Reflex? I thought
> they had basically the same engine(displacement wise) and drivetrain. Is
> there more to this story?
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Re: Reflex vs Helix

Posted by: "George Giftos" gcgiftos@utmi.net   gcgiftos

Mon Mar 15, 2010 5:28 am (PDT)



Oh, I just like the power and acceleration the SWing has. It's main drawback is it's weight, but that adds to its stability on the highway. Gas mileage does suffer, however, but i didn't buy a scooter to worry about gas mileage. I bought it for pure enjoyment and the SWing just gives me more of that.

George

On Mar 15, 2010, at 8:05 AM, thebubblepuppy2004 wrote:

> Having personally never ridden a SWing, I'd love to hear your reasons why. I see myself upgrading to it, or it's successor, when my Reflex wears out (or wears ME out).
>
> Speaking of which...has the SWing been officially dis-continued??
>
> --- In hondareflexowners@yahoogroups.com, George Giftos <gcgiftos@...> wrote:
> >
> > Both have their followers. The Helix is supposed to have the most comfortable standard seat of all scooters. The real question is which one do you like? The Helix appears to have gained some cult following. I, personally, prefer the SilverWing.
> >
> > George
> >
> > On Mar 14, 2010, at 9:27 PM, jhcaudill wrote:
> >
> > > I guess I'm a little confused. At one time I rode a friend's Honda Helix while he borrowed my Goldwing (2 or 3 week trip he went on). I liked the Helix just fine, and so, when I decided to get a scooter (in addition to my Goldwing) I went looking for a Helix. Along the way, I discovered the Reflex, and promptly purchased a 2002 model. My impression was that the Reflex was the "new and improved" replacement for the Helix (since the Helix was designed in the early 80's). Now, I see ads for 1986 Helix's for upwards of $2000 and later models with asking prices of well over $3,000.
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