Tuesday, March 9, 2010

Honda Reflex Group Digest Number 4760

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1a.

Re: Howdy from way up north!!Need help!!

Posted by: "Cathy Hamma" cathy@clktech.com   webcat95

Mon Mar 8, 2010 8:00 am (PST)



Your mistake is in "Well, if you can't trust an internet vendor WHO CAN you
trust??" Technically, you should question all Internet vendors. The
Internet is rife with scams and has, in fact, more scams than you can shake
a stick at. For every valid Internet vendor there's probably at least 10
illegal vendor scams out there. I'm not saying stay away from Internet
shopping because I do a lot of my shopping there. I'm saying "buyer beware"
because if it looks too good to be true, it really is.

Cathy (who has a LEGAL print version of the Honda service manual) Hamma

2007 Honda Reflex, NW Chicago Suburbs, Illinois

From: hondareflexowners@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:hondareflexowners@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of jjuscg
Sent: Sunday, March 07, 2010 4:00 PM
To: hondareflexowners@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Honda Reflex Group Re: Howdy from way up north!!Need help!!

Well, if you can't trust an internet vendor WHO CAN you trust?? Thanks for
correcting me, Tim. I would not deliberately suggest violating copyright
law.

JJ

--- In hondareflexowners@yahoogroups.com
<mailto:hondareflexowners%40yahoogroups.com> , "Tim Hansen"
<phreadbarnz@...> wrote:
>
> There are NO LEGAL DOWNLOADABLE SERVICE MANUALS.
> This link is an ILLEGAL COPY of the service manual.
> If you need a service manual for your Honda Reflex BUY A LEGAL COPY
> (www.helminc.com). It comes in PAPER form ONLY.
>
> TravlinTim (who has a LEGAL copy of the service manual) Hansen
> phreadbarnz@...
>
>
>
> --------------------------------------------------
> From: "jjuscg" <eriejjuscg@...>
> Sent: Sunday, March 07, 2010 11:12 AM
> To: <hondareflexowners@yahoogroups.com
<mailto:hondareflexowners%40yahoogroups.com> >
> Subject: Honda Reflex Group Re: Howdy from way up north!!Need help!!
>
> > MAINTENANCE MANUALS
> > Here is a link to a website which has all sorts of manuals to download
> > for a reasonable fee ($10 or less). I am assuming they are legal. They
> > have all sorts of auto, cycle, and electronica tech manuals.
> > This link is for the Reflex, which I formerly owned. <LINK REMOVED>.
> > I have not seen the Reflex manual, but I downloaded a manual for a Kymco

> > scooter and it was very complete and high quality.
> >
> > JJ
> >
> > --- In hondareflexowners@yahoogroups.com
<mailto:hondareflexowners%40yahoogroups.com> , "BruceK" <bruce@> wrote:
> >>
> >> Have look in the FILES section for the routine maintenance list.
> >>
> >> There are no LEGAL downloads of the service manual, but often there are

> >> used ones on eBay. The manual is the same for all years and models of
> >> Reflex.
> >>
> >> Watch out for rust in the gas tank - have a look in the FILES section -

> >> fuel tank replacement - for great example photos. Hopefully you filled
> >> the tanks before storage...
> >>
> >> Consider replacing belt and tires DUE TO AGING - 6 years is about the
> >> max safe life for the structure of these.
> >>
> >> Hope that helps
> >>
> >> Bruce Koehler - the Koehlerizer
> >> Santa Cruz, CA
> >>
> >> --- In hondareflexowners@yahoogroups.com
<mailto:hondareflexowners%40yahoogroups.com> , "samzbamz" <samzbamz@> wrote:
> >> >
> >> > Hi All,
> >> > I have 2 reflex's '01 and '04 weather is starting to get warmer here.
> >> > All I have done to these bikes is change oil and air filter and spark
> >> > plug!
> >> > The '01 has 6k the '04 has 4k... what else do i need to do now to get
> >> > them ready for summer!!I have the big givi windshield on my '01 and
> >> > plan
> >> > on using it to commute to work! anywhere to download a service
manual??
> >> > Thanks for your help,Scott A MathiesDayton MN
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> >> >
> >>
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > ------------------------------------
> >
> > Yahoo! Groups Links
> >
> >
> >
>

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Re: Howdy from way up north!!Need help!!

Posted by: "tailmaster" freedomfyter@yahoo.com   tailmaster

Mon Mar 8, 2010 10:05 am (PST)



As you can probably tell by now, copyright is a sensitive issue with this group. With good reason. I agree with them regarding the manual. I have two copies; one clean for study and one to beat, fondle with greasy fingers, spill coffee, dog ear, etc. WORTH EVERY PENNY!

The gurus are right about drive belts. Be very sure of your tires, too. With such low mileage, your tires will look really good but they don't have "roll" time which actually does contribute to keeping them fresh. Personally, I would replace 6-year-old tires.

--- In hondareflexowners@yahoogroups.com, "samzbamz" <samzbamz@...> wrote:
>
> Hi All,
> I have 2 reflex's '01 and '04 weather is starting to get warmer here.
> All I have done to these bikes is change oil and air filter and spark
> plug!
> The '01 has 6k the '04 has 4k... what else do i need to do now to get
> them ready for summer!!I have the big givi windshield on my '01 and plan
> on using it to commute to work! anywhere to download a service manual??
> Thanks for your help,Scott A MathiesDayton MN
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>

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Re: Howdy from way up north!!Need help!!

Posted by: "jhcaudill" jnscaudills@msn.com   jhcaudill

Mon Mar 8, 2010 3:18 pm (PST)



I'm glad that the "copyright police" have been reigned in, and I'll try and offer some constuctive advice. First Helm doesn't own the rights to the literature, Honda does. My Honda service manual says "copyright symbol" (I can't reproduce it)"Honda Motor Co. Ltd. Tokyo, Japan - All Rights Reserved".

It used to be that when you joined Honda Rider's Club of America (and paid them the membership fee) that they gave you access to an online version of the factory service manual. I don't remember whether this was downloadable or not, but you could certainly print the relevant pages you needed. So, there may be legitimate electronic versions of this manual available.

Today, you can join the HRCA for free, and they allow you access to an all-inclusive service manual for their scooters and motorcycles. I believe you can also download a maintnenace schedule and owners manual. The link still says that paid members get access to ONE specific service manual.

Here's a link:
http://hrca.honda.com/publications/

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Re: Howdy from way up north!!Need help!!

Posted by: "Joe Barnhart" flaboye@gmail.com   jtbgnsv

Mon Mar 8, 2010 3:40 pm (PST)



I'm a paid member of HRCA. With payment which is only 19.95 a year, you can
select one manual for usage during the term of your membership, and yes,
it's printable, though not downloadable. Thus, you could print the manual
if so inclined. You also have access to the "generic" version that you are
referring to they allow you to peek at without subscription.

This group has some excellent writeups in the files section. My first belt
and roller change, and rear gear oil change was by Bruce's wonderfully
assembled word and pdf docs.

I purchased an "online" one from ebay and learned later that the seller had
no rights to be selling it. If it's not the original printed manual, I
think it's been determined without ambiguity that there are no legal pdf
versions being sold on ebay. Tim has taken the time to contact the parties
and verify their positions on this.

By the way, Bike Week was awesome.

Joe

On Mon, Mar 8, 2010 at 6:18 PM, jhcaudill <jnscaudills@msn.com> wrote:

>
>
> I'm glad that the "copyright police" have been reigned in, and I'll try and
> offer some constuctive advice. First Helm doesn't own the rights to the
> literature, Honda does. My Honda service manual says "copyright symbol" (I
> can't reproduce it)"Honda Motor Co. Ltd. Tokyo, Japan - All Rights
> Reserved".
>
> It used to be that when you joined Honda Rider's Club of America (and paid
> them the membership fee) that they gave you access to an online version of
> the factory service manual. I don't remember whether this was downloadable
> or not, but you could certainly print the relevant pages you needed. So,
> there may be legitimate electronic versions of this manual available.
>
> Today, you can join the HRCA for free, and they allow you access to an
> all-inclusive service manual for their scooters and motorcycles. I believe
> you can also download a maintnenace schedule and owners manual. The link
> still says that paid members get access to ONE specific service manual.
>
> Here's a link:
> http://hrca.honda.com/publications/
>
> ---
>
>
>

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Re: Howdy from way up north!!Need help!!

Posted by: "s" samzbamz@myway.com   samzbamz

Mon Mar 8, 2010 4:31 pm (PST)



Thanks, I just want to ride my scooter!! Went and got my lic tabs
today!! It's 40F here snow is going fast, the last time the bike was out
was on new years eve!!
Ride2work,Scott
--- In hondareflexowners@yahoogroups.com, "jhcaudill" <jnscaudills@...>
wrote:
>
> I'm glad that the "copyright police" have been reigned in, and I'll
try and offer some constuctive advice. First Helm doesn't own the rights
to the literature, Honda does. My Honda service manual says "copyright
symbol" (I can't reproduce it)"Honda Motor Co. Ltd. Tokyo, Japan - All
Rights Reserved".
>
> It used to be that when you joined Honda Rider's Club of America (and
paid them the membership fee) that they gave you access to an online
version of the factory service manual. I don't remember whether this was
downloadable or not, but you could certainly print the relevant pages
you needed. So, there may be legitimate electronic versions of this
manual available.
>
> Today, you can join the HRCA for free, and they allow you access to an
all-inclusive service manual for their scooters and motorcycles. I
believe you can also download a maintnenace schedule and owners manual.
The link still says that paid members get access to ONE specific service
manual.
>
> Here's a link:
> http://hrca.honda.com/publications/
>
> ---
>

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2a.

COPYRIGHT INFRINGMENT (was Re: Honda Reflex Group Re: Howdy from way

Posted by: "Steve" steve.stansberry@yahoo.com   steve.stansberry

Mon Mar 8, 2010 10:07 am (PST)



Tim, I agree 100% with you. There are so many scams out there. That is why I thought I would contact a "Copyright/Tradesmark" attorney.
I know, as probably you know too, that there are companies out there that DO have agreements/license with Co's who own trademarks/copywrites, especially in this day of instant information and access,to make available for a fee books, manuals, maps and so on. Most trademarks/copywrite owners would rather have a fee paid to them for said manual or whatever because they not only get the fee for the copyright but for the printing cost etc.. I know in having a license to reproduce music does not cost much compared to what I can make in using that music for entertainment. Example; Elvis Presley could not have made the money he made or his estate makes today w/o not only owning the copyrights to his music, but, making agreements with publishers and other companies to reproduce the music. It's the same way with books, manuals , etc., etc.. When you pay $10.00 for a piece of sheet music, there is probably $2.00 of that that goes to the copyright/tradesmark owner. The rest goes to the publisher for the type setting, printing, shipping and advertising.

Steve Roseville, CA

--- In hondareflexowners@yahoogroups.com, "Tim Hansen" <phreadbarnz@...> wrote:
>
> When I asked Helm Inc. if there were any downloadable versions of their
> Honda Service Manual, I was told NO.
>
> Unless you are getting this from Helm Inc. (the copyright holder), then I
> would be willing to bet it is an ILLEGAL copy.
>
> Just because you "pay a fee for each down load you select" doesn't make it
> legal. How many times have we seen the exact same scam on eBay? Pay
> someone for a 'pdf' file through eBay or this "legit' site, unless they own
> the copyright, or have an agreement with the copyright holder, you are
> buying STOLEN GOODS.
>
> But I know Steve knows this. And I know that this topic has been covered in
> detail in the past.
> TravlinTim (who still buys his music on CD at a brick and mortar store)
> Hansen
> phreadbarnz@...
>
>
> --------------------------------------------------
> From: "Steve" <steve.stansberry@...>
> Sent: Sunday, March 07, 2010 3:25 PM
> To: <hondareflexowners@yahoogroups.com>
> Subject: Honda Reflex Group Re: Howdy from way up north!!Need help!!
>
> > What background check I have done so far on this company, they seem legit!
> > You do pay a fee for each down load you select. They have numerous other
> > manuals available as well. I have an inquiry in with my brother-n-law, a
> > copywrite/trademark lawyer. Hopefully he will get back to me soon on this.
> >
> > Steve Roseville, CA
> >
>

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Re: COPYRIGHT INFRINGMENT (was Re: Honda Reflex Group Re: Howdy from

Posted by: "Cathy Hamma" cathy@clktech.com   webcat95

Mon Mar 8, 2010 10:21 am (PST)



Good argument Steve. But consider the price here. Even electronic versions
of books are not sold at 20% of the paper versions of the book. Publisher's
are still protecting their traditional format pricing. I can't imagine
Helm's contract with Honda would include an okay to sell the electronic
version at such a bargain especially since Helm makes available electronic
versions of some manuals with other manufacturers.

Cathy (who reads most books these days via an e-version available on her
iPhone) Hamma

2007 Honda Reflex, NW Chicago Suburbs, Illinois

From: hondareflexowners@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:hondareflexowners@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Steve
Sent: Monday, March 08, 2010 12:05 PM
To: hondareflexowners@yahoogroups.com
Subject: COPYRIGHT INFRINGMENT (was Re: Honda Reflex Group Re: Howdy from
way up north!!Need help!!)

Tim, I agree 100% with you. There are so many scams out there. That is why I
thought I would contact a "Copyright/Tradesmark" attorney.
I know, as probably you know too, that there are companies out there that DO
have agreements/license with Co's who own trademarks/copywrites, especially
in this day of instant information and access,to make available for a fee
books, manuals, maps and so on. Most trademarks/copywrite owners would
rather have a fee paid to them for said manual or whatever because they not
only get the fee for the copyright but for the printing cost etc.. I know in
having a license to reproduce music does not cost much compared to what I
can make in using that music for entertainment. Example; Elvis Presley could
not have made the money he made or his estate makes today w/o not only
owning the copyrights to his music, but, making agreements with publishers
and other companies to reproduce the music. It's the same way with books,
manuals , etc., etc.. When you pay $10.00 for a piece of sheet music, there
is probably $2.00 of that that goes to the copyright/tradesmark owner. The
rest goes to the publisher for the type setting, printing, shipping and
advertising.

Steve Roseville, CA

--- In hondareflexowners@yahoogroups.com
<mailto:hondareflexowners%40yahoogroups.com> , "Tim Hansen"
<phreadbarnz@...> wrote:
>
> When I asked Helm Inc. if there were any downloadable versions of their
> Honda Service Manual, I was told NO.
>
> Unless you are getting this from Helm Inc. (the copyright holder), then I
> would be willing to bet it is an ILLEGAL copy.
>
> Just because you "pay a fee for each down load you select" doesn't make it

> legal. How many times have we seen the exact same scam on eBay? Pay
> someone for a 'pdf' file through eBay or this "legit' site, unless they
own
> the copyright, or have an agreement with the copyright holder, you are
> buying STOLEN GOODS.
>
> But I know Steve knows this. And I know that this topic has been covered
in
> detail in the past.
> TravlinTim (who still buys his music on CD at a brick and mortar store)
> Hansen
> phreadbarnz@...
>
>
> --------------------------------------------------
> From: "Steve" <steve.stansberry@...>
> Sent: Sunday, March 07, 2010 3:25 PM
> To: <hondareflexowners@yahoogroups.com
<mailto:hondareflexowners%40yahoogroups.com> >
> Subject: Honda Reflex Group Re: Howdy from way up north!!Need help!!
>
> > What background check I have done so far on this company, they seem
legit!
> > You do pay a fee for each down load you select. They have numerous other

> > manuals available as well. I have an inquiry in with my brother-n-law, a

> > copywrite/trademark lawyer. Hopefully he will get back to me soon on
this.
> >
> > Steve Roseville, CA
> >
>

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COPYRIGHT INFRINGMENT (was Re: Honda Reflex Group Re: Howdy from way

Posted by: "TubaTim" phreadbarnz@gmail.com   phreadbarnz

Mon Mar 8, 2010 2:02 pm (PST)



Right. And that is why Helm Inc. has told me that there are NO LEGAL DOWNLOADABLE copies of their COPYRIGHTED material.

Unless your "Copyright/Tradesmark" attorney has a relationship with Helm Inc., he really can't answer the direct question of ILLEGAL material from Helm Inc.

TravlinTim (who owns a LEGAL copy of the service manual) Hansen
phreadbarnz@iwon.com

--- In hondareflexowners@yahoogroups.com, "Steve" <steve.stansberry@...> wrote:
>
> Tim, I agree 100% with you. There are so many scams out there. That is why I thought I would contact a "Copyright/Tradesmark" attorney.
> I know, as probably you know too, that there are companies out there that DO have agreements/license with Co's who own trademarks/copywrites, especially in this day of instant information and access,to make available for a fee books, manuals, maps and so on. Most trademarks/copywrite owners would rather have a fee paid to them for said manual or whatever because they not only get the fee for the copyright but for the printing cost etc.. I know in having a license to reproduce music does not cost much compared to what I can make in using that music for entertainment. Example; Elvis Presley could not have made the money he made or his estate makes today w/o not only owning the copyrights to his music, but, making agreements with publishers and other companies to reproduce the music. It's the same way with books, manuals , etc., etc.. When you pay $10.00 for a piece of sheet music, there is probably $2.00 of that that goes to the copyright/tradesmark owner. The rest goes to the publisher for the type setting, printing, shipping and advertising.
>
> Steve Roseville, CA

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COPYRIGHT INFRINGMENT (was Re: Honda Reflex Group Re: Howdy from way

Posted by: "samzbamz" samzbamz@myway.com   samzbamz

Mon Mar 8, 2010 2:04 pm (PST)



Does this mean my post has been JACKED?? Thanks all for your help!!
LIV2RIDE,Scott ( still way up north without a service manual) Mathies
--- In hondareflexowners@yahoogroups.com, "Tim Hansen" <phreadbarnz@...>
wrote:
>
> When I asked Helm Inc. if there were any downloadable versions of
their
> Honda Service Manual, I was told NO.
>
> Unless you are getting this from Helm Inc. (the copyright holder),
then I
> would be willing to bet it is an ILLEGAL copy.
>
> Just because you "pay a fee for each down load you select" doesn't
make it
> legal. How many times have we seen the exact same scam on eBay? Pay
> someone for a 'pdf' file through eBay or this "legit' site, unless
they own
> the copyright, or have an agreement with the copyright holder, you are
> buying STOLEN GOODS.
>
> But I know Steve knows this. And I know that this topic has been
covered in
> detail in the past.
> TravlinTim (who still buys his music on CD at a brick and mortar
store)
> Hansen
> phreadbarnz@...
>
>
> --------------------------------------------------
> From: "Steve" steve.stansberry@...
> Sent: Sunday, March 07, 2010 3:25 PM
> To: hondareflexowners@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Honda Reflex Group Re: Howdy from way up north!!Need help!!
>
> > What background check I have done so far on this company, they seem
legit!
> > You do pay a fee for each down load you select. They have numerous
other
> > manuals available as well. I have an inquiry in with my
brother-n-law, a
> > copywrite/trademark lawyer. Hopefully he will get back to me soon on
this.
> >
> > Steve Roseville, CA
> >
>

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COPYRIGHT INFRINGMENT (was Re: Honda Reflex Group Re: Howdy from way

Posted by: "TubaTim" phreadbarnz@gmail.com   phreadbarnz

Mon Mar 8, 2010 3:02 pm (PST)



--- In hondareflexowners@yahoogroups.com, "samzbamz" <samzbamz@...> wrote:
>
> Does this mean my post has been JACKED?? Thanks all for your help!!
> LIV2RIDE,Scott ( still way up north without a service manual) Mathies

What this means is that I changed the Subject Line to reflect the change in direction of the discussion......

TravlinTim (who changes subject lines) Hansen
phreadbarnz@iwon.com

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COPYRIGHT INFRINGMENT ( Final UPDATE and long) Important

Posted by: "Steve" steve.stansberry@yahoo.com   steve.stansberry

Mon Mar 8, 2010 4:01 pm (PST)



Hey, finally got a reply from my coptwrite/trademark lawyer bro-n-law. The info he has shows that the company in question DOES HAVE THE LICENSE for not only the Reflex but several other manuals to make them available for download. He was somewhat surprised by the "loww fee". He felt that $25.00 per download would not have been out of line. But then he said if some wants to spend $$ for a reem of paper, a cartraige or 2 of black ink and the time it takes to download, or the space it takes up on most home computers, then...thats just fine. The trademark shown on the manual is solely owned by Honda.
With all this stuff on who owns copywrites and all, I wonder how many cpyrights Mr K-mod owns? Since he writes manunals. Think how much $$ he would make if he owned the copywrites for the K-mod.

--- In hondareflexowners@yahoogroups.com, "TubaTim" <phreadbarnz@...> wrote:
>
> --- In hondareflexowners@yahoogroups.com, "samzbamz" <samzbamz@> wrote:
> >
> > Does this mean my post has been JACKED?? Thanks all for your help!!
> > LIV2RIDE,Scott ( still way up north without a service manual) Mathies
>
> What this means is that I changed the Subject Line to reflect the change in direction of the discussion......
>
> TravlinTim (who changes subject lines) Hansen
> phreadbarnz@...
>

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Re: COPYRIGHT INFRINGMENT ( Final UPDATE and long) Important

Posted by: "s" samzbamz@myway.com   samzbamz

Mon Mar 8, 2010 4:15 pm (PST)



With all this stuff on who owns copywrites and all, I wonder how many
cpyrights
Mr K-mod owns? Since he writes manunals. Think how much $$ he would make
if he
owned the copywrites for the K-mod.
Where do I pay! hope he takes pay pal!! ha..ha..
--- In hondareflexowners@yahoogroups.com, "Steve" <steve.stansberry@...>
wrote:
>
> Hey, finally got a reply from my coptwrite/trademark lawyer bro-n-law.
The info he has shows that the company in question DOES HAVE THE LICENSE
for not only the Reflex but several other manuals to make them available
for download. He was somewhat surprised by the "loww fee". He felt that
$25.00 per download would not have been out of line. But then he said if
some wants to spend $$ for a reem of paper, a cartraige or 2 of black
ink and the time it takes to download, or the space it takes up on most
home computers, then...thats just fine. The trademark shown on the
manual is solely owned by Honda.
> With all this stuff on who owns copywrites and all, I wonder how many
cpyrights Mr K-mod owns? Since he writes manunals. Think how much $$ he
would make if he owned the copywrites for the K-mod.
>
> --- In hondareflexowners@yahoogroups.com, "TubaTim" phreadbarnz@
wrote:
> >
> > --- In hondareflexowners@yahoogroups.com, "samzbamz" <samzbamz@>
wrote:
> > >
> > > Does this mean my post has been JACKED?? Thanks all for your
help!!
> > > LIV2RIDE,Scott ( still way up north without a service manual)
Mathies
> >
> > What this means is that I changed the Subject Line to reflect the
change in direction of the discussion......
> >
> > TravlinTim (who changes subject lines) Hansen
> > phreadbarnz@
> >
>

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Re: body plastic parts

Posted by: "jim borton" gondola1545@yahoo.com   gondola1545

Mon Mar 8, 2010 11:04 am (PST)



If the plastic farings are the same...  I have all the molds and pieces in fiberglass and carbon fiber...  Including hard saddlebags and large trunk...  I like the carbon fiber better...  Lighter...  stronger...  and don't have to paint if you don't want to...  Bulletproof jackets are made of carbon fiber... 

________________________________
From: genelutter <genelutter@yahoo.com>
To: hondareflexowners@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sat, March 6, 2010 4:16:43 PM
Subject: Honda Reflex Group body plastic parts

 
Hi everyone,
I am new having just bought a 2003 reflex. I am wondering if the plastic body and faring parts are the same for all years with the exception of the color. Can anyone answer that question?
Thanks, Gene Lutter

iF THEY ARE...

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Scooting the Ozarks

Posted by: "jrgrammer98" stoshopkeeper@centurytel.net   jrgrammer98

Mon Mar 8, 2010 12:47 pm (PST)



STO 2010 will be September 15-18 in Eureka Springs, AR. If you like riding in the twisties, you will love riding in the Ozarks. Below is a rally update posted by STO Rally Coordinator/Director Lou Larson this morning.

Tressa
STO Rally Volunteer
http://scoottheozarks.proboards.com
http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=214958106109

"I'm happy to announce that The Jim Evans family will be catering our BBQ this year. Some of you may know Jim from past Scootercades. He did the BBQ's then. Jim is anxious to get back to doing this for us & looking forward to seeing some old friends & meeting new.
Jim will be serving us Pulled Pork, Smoked Chicken & BBQ Bologna with all the fixin's to go with it!

I have also made arrangements with Pizza Hut for catering out Pizza Night.
Both events will be served from the back hall building on the Travelers Grounds

I spoke with Jerry of the Travelers this morning & he informed me that their is only 14 rooms left@ the Travelers. So again I Highly suggest that if you know your going to come to STO 2010 & want to stay where the action is, Book your rooms NOW. Once the Travelers Is booked full. I will post other Lodging infromation. Jerry owns two other motels in Eureka & has offered the same $50.00 per night plus tax with no weekend rate hikes to ALL STO Rally attendee's at ALL of his motels.
Best way to reserve your room is through his webpage.
http://www.travelersinn.com/
He has a full staff to take your reservatitions.
I must also mention that Tressa & Myself have inspected one of Jerry's other Motels & have found it to also be clean quality rooms as the Travelers

Pre registration's continue to out pace the previous years. If you have any doubts that I have not received yours. Feel free to E-Mail me @ silverbullet05@verizon.net and I will comfirm yours.

Lou"

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Re: Wheel balance

Posted by: "Donald" donnyc426@hotmail.com   crawl_daddy.02reflex

Mon Mar 8, 2010 5:31 pm (PST)





Yep, I have the Marc Parnes balancer. I bought the universal because I also have a Honda Goldwing which requires the universal cone set. I did use it to balance my Reflex front tire and it did a perfect job. You cannot use the rod that comes with the balancer for the Reflex. The rod is too large in diameter to fit through the center of the Relex front wheel. I simply used the front axle of the Flex with the cones provided with the balancer placed on the axle. The cones keep the wheel centered on the axle, and even though the cones are slightly too big in the center, it worked perfectly! FYI, the Cycle Hill Manual Tire Changer has the same problem with the Reflex. The smallest rod they provide is still too large to fit through the front wheel. Again, I just used the front axle as a pivot point, but I must admit it was a bit short to make the manual tire change an easy one. I'll be looking for a suitable "longer" rod for the next change.

BTW, all the bike shops around my area "will not" install a tire which was not purchased through them. And the nearest shops charge $35-40 to mount and balance a tire. I can buy tires online much cheaper than the shops so, Ergo, my own tire changing station came to be.....Also, you can buy the Cycle Hill Balancer for about $79 and it's probably just as good as the $105 Marc Parnes one. I'm not sure if you can use it with the front axle as I did with the Marc Parnes one because it has a fixed spacing between the bearings.

Hope this helps!
Don in Western Virginia.

--- In hondareflexowners@yahoogroups.com, "Ed" <dunkkizing@...> wrote:
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> Hello All
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> Has anyone every used a Marc Parnes wheel balancer to balance
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> the wheels on a honda reflex. If answer is yes do you know whitch
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> model balancer was used?
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