Messages In This Digest (17 Messages)
- 1a.
- Mod your flex? From: Bill Kenner
- 1b.
- Re: Mod your flex? From: Joe Barnhart
- 1c.
- Re: Mod your flex? From: willyjumpup
- 1d.
- Re: Mod your flex? From: willyjumpup
- 1e.
- Re: Mod your flex? From: BruceK
- 1f.
- Re: Mod your flex? From: John D
- 1g.
- Re: Mod your flex? From: Joe Barnhart
- 1h.
- Re: Mod your flex? From: TubaTim
- 2a.
- Re: Time For The Major 18,000 Mile Service/ Kmod---again! From: markobaldo
- 3a.
- 10 Gram Roller Weights From: donedeal999
- 3b.
- Re: 10 Gram Roller Weights From: TubaTim
- 3c.
- Re: 10 Gram Roller Weights From: BruceK
- 4a.
- Cold Start From: dennismatice
- 4b.
- Re: Cold Start From: BruceK
- 4c.
- Re: Cold Start From: willyjumpup
- 5.
- [RE]Honda Reflex Group Re: 10 Gram Roller Weights From: joe pal
- 6.
- If you're looking for another kind of Honda From: iwantblinds
Messages
- 1a.
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Mod your flex?
Posted by: "Bill Kenner" brkenner@gmail.com wrkenner@att.net
Wed Mar 3, 2010 6:49 am (PST)
I tried the kmod last year and after 5k miles reversed it. I realize I am
in the minority here, but I found the harsh tone of the muffler that results
from the kmod annoying. I did enjoy the extra pep provided by the kmod and
even installed a used Leo Vince pipe on her to help solve the muffler bark
but it didn't satisfy me. And for those thinking of doing the kmod I must
say that I found the kmod procedure to be very difficult, but I have
trouble getting the oil drain cap back on so scooter mechanics may not be my
forte'. I did change my drive belt and differential oil while undoing the
kmod to take max advantage of the tear down. I like the low healthy sound
of the LV exhaust on the stock scoot by the way so I'm leaving it on, for
now anyway.
Bill K
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- 1b.
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Re: Mod your flex?
Posted by: "Joe Barnhart" flaboye@gmail.com jtbgnsv
Wed Mar 3, 2010 7:14 am (PST)
I probably won't care for the higher rpm's with the little bit of city
riding I do either, but 90% of my riding is at 60-65mph (indicated) and my
understanding is that won't be affected.
I'm going to kmod mine on tomorrow afternoon, and ride it around for a few
miles out here in the country to see if I can live with it for Bike Week,
and never know I may leave it or put it back.
It really takes only about 15 minutes to get everything disassembled. It'll
be much easier the next time you do it.
For some reason my '01 is much zippier than my friend's '05 is anyway, not
sure if that's because mine is at 42k and "loosened up" or what, who knows.
Looking forward to Daytona in any event.
Cheers!
On Wed, Mar 3, 2010 at 9:44 AM, Bill Kenner <brkenner@gmail.com > wrote:
>
>
> I tried the kmod last year and after 5k miles reversed it. I realize I am
> in the minority here, but I found the harsh tone of the muffler that
> results
> from the kmod annoying. I did enjoy the extra pep provided by the kmod and
> even installed a used Leo Vince pipe on her to help solve the muffler bark
> but it didn't satisfy me. And for those thinking of doing the kmod I must
> say that I found the kmod procedure to be very difficult, but I have
> trouble getting the oil drain cap back on so scooter mechanics may not be
> my
> forte'. I did change my drive belt and differential oil while undoing the
> kmod to take max advantage of the tear down. I like the low healthy sound
> of the LV exhaust on the stock scoot by the way so I'm leaving it on, for
> now anyway.
>
> Bill K
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>
>
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- 1c.
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Re: Mod your flex?
Posted by: "willyjumpup" 6at2004@optonline.net willyjumpup
Wed Mar 3, 2010 1:17 pm (PST)
You know what? Go back and read what I wrote. Didn't I say I wouldn't use AFTERMARKET? That's not a Kmod.
What does WEAK mean in the midrange? According to the test results in the files section it amounts to 1 1/2 seconds improvement. Why bother?
There's an old saying "If it ain't broke, don't fix it".
Sure it might be fun to fool around but if you want it to continue performing as it has for the last 18,000 miles MY SUGGESTION is to keep it stock.
--- In hondareflexowners@yahoogroups. , "tonymarchman@com ..." <tonymarchman@ ...> wrote:
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> Hi Willyjumpup
> We really think we know what we are doing when we do the kmod, I did mine 33,000 miles ago and today it still runs great! I am certain I enjoy it more because I have "personalized" it. Honda built a great scooter but they are on a tight budget and they are building for the masses and the EPA.
> It is your decision to keep yours stock but before you give the rest of us advice maybe you should show your credentials. How long have you had your flex and how many miles have you personally accumulated? If your experience level is greater than ours then your suggestions will carry a lot more weight. Just my opinion.
> Tony in Tenn with 41k on a yellow flex and 16k on a red majesty
>
- 1d.
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Re: Mod your flex?
Posted by: "willyjumpup" 6at2004@optonline.net willyjumpup
Wed Mar 3, 2010 1:18 pm (PST)
I did not say anything against your modifying your Reflex.
I took the time to review the files area.
I took the time to read the test results posted about the Kmod.
High end suffers.
His modifications of the drivetrain with the Kmod would hamper his 75 MPH for HOURS cruising. That is not an improvement. If that is not so then why keep the test results in the files area?
I did not get in anyone's face just as you have just now.
Modify away.
--- In hondareflexowners@yahoogroups. , "tonymarchman@com ..." <tonymarchman@ ...> wrote:
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> Hi Willyjumpup
> We really think we know what we are doing when we do the kmod, I did mine 33,000 miles ago and today it still runs great! I am certain I enjoy it more because I have "personalized" it. Honda built a great scooter but they are on a tight budget and they are building for the masses and the EPA.
> It is your decision to keep yours stock but before you give the rest of us advice maybe you should show your credentials. How long have you had your flex and how many miles have you personally accumulated? If your experience level is greater than ours then your suggestions will carry a lot more weight. Just my opinion.
> Tony in Tenn with 41k on a yellow flex and 16k on a red majesty
>
- 1e.
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Re: Mod your flex?
Posted by: "BruceK" bruce@aplusservices.com bruceakoehler
Wed Mar 3, 2010 2:03 pm (PST)
My findings disagree with what is posted by someone else - especially in regard to top speed.
If done properly - AND CARE IS TAKEN to remove pulley face glaze so there is no belt slippage - it is IMPOSSIBLE for the K-mod to affect top speed - because the black rollers (removed for the K-mod) run up against stops and have no effect.
One key thing if you want to make an evaluation is to observe how far the belt goes out on the variator BEFORE - and then AFTER - the K-mod. If in both cases the belt travels equally to the outer circumference - then the top drive ratio (and hence top speed) will be the same.
Also, if you are interested in making an ACCURATE evaluation - is to run AT LEAST THREE test runs for each "measurement" (e.g.0-30mph, 0-45mph, 0-60mph ETs), and throw out (and repeat) any that differ significantly from the other 2 - before making any conclusions.
Bottom line - try it - it's free and easily reversed. It will make a NOTABLE improvement on mid-range acceleration and HILL CLIMBING (important to me where I live).
For what it's worth
Bruce Koehler - the Koehlerizer
Santa Cruz, CA
--- In hondareflexowners@yahoogroups. , "willyjumpup" <6at2004@...com > wrote:
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>
> You know what? Go back and read what I wrote. Didn't I say I wouldn't use AFTERMARKET? That's not a Kmod.
>
> What does WEAK mean in the midrange? According to the test results in the files section it amounts to 1 1/2 seconds improvement. Why bother?
>
> There's an old saying "If it ain't broke, don't fix it".
>
> Sure it might be fun to fool around but if you want it to continue performing as it has for the last 18,000 miles MY SUGGESTION is to keep it stock.
>
>
>
>
> --- In hondareflexowners@yahoogroups. , "tonymarchman@com " <tonymarchman@ > wrote:
> >
> > Hi Willyjumpup
> > We really think we know what we are doing when we do the kmod, I did mine 33,000 miles ago and today it still runs great! I am certain I enjoy it more because I have "personalized" it. Honda built a great scooter but they are on a tight budget and they are building for the masses and the EPA.
> > It is your decision to keep yours stock but before you give the rest of us advice maybe you should show your credentials. How long have you had your flex and how many miles have you personally accumulated? If your experience level is greater than ours then your suggestions will carry a lot more weight. Just my opinion.
> > Tony in Tenn with 41k on a yellow flex and 16k on a red majesty
> >
>
- 1f.
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Re: Mod your flex?
Posted by: "John D" dc2daylight@yahoo.com dc2daylight
Wed Mar 3, 2010 3:30 pm (PST)
I also tried the k-mod and didn't the the BWAHHHHHHH sound the bike made after. I wound up putting on an AFTERMARKET Malossi variator and experimented with different variations of weights until I found one that suited my choice for acceleration and performance. If anyone is interested and can't find my old posts, I'll go through my notes and try to re-publish the specifics.
John in Seattle
'03 Standard
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- 1g.
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Re: Mod your flex?
Posted by: "Joe Barnhart" flaboye@gmail.com jtbgnsv
Wed Mar 3, 2010 3:48 pm (PST)
Well, I'll find out tomorrow about the kmod.
Most of my riding is highway so I won't get much of an idea until I get to
Daytona. Like Bruce says, it's simple to reverse and I can't see it hurting
anything, especially just for this weekend. Also, I'm fairly open minded
about trying things, but for the reflex, having gone almost 43k now with it
stock, I don't see any reason to do any modifications to it (that's my
opinion only), other than this simple K-mod.
I bought a silverwing and a vulcan, and when I want to haul a** I hop on one
of them. Reflex gives me absolute dependability, extraordinary gas mileage,
and it's still fun to ride.
I'm sure there will be many people who are interested in your aftermarket
variator and weight experiments. Even if I never planned to do that I'm
certainly interested in hearing what everyone has done to their scooters.
Never know, something might sound cool enough to try out myself! And, I
respect and highly admire people who customize their things. It's a guy
thing you know.
Ride safe,
Joe
On Wed, Mar 3, 2010 at 6:23 PM, John D <dc2daylight@yahoo.com > wrote:
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>
> I also tried the k-mod and didn't the the BWAHHHHHHH sound the bike made
> after. I wound up putting on an AFTERMARKET Malossi variator and
> experimented with different variations of weights until I found one that
> suited my choice for acceleration and performance. If anyone is interested
> and can't find my old posts, I'll go through my notes and try to re-publish
> the specifics.
>
> John in Seattle
> '03 Standard
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
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>
>
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- 1h.
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Re: Mod your flex?
Posted by: "TubaTim" phreadbarnz@gmail.com phreadbarnz
Wed Mar 3, 2010 4:07 pm (PST)
Just curious... how much did your solution cost?
TravlinTim (whoi does K-Mods for free [in Ventura])
phreadbarnz@iwon.com
--- In hondareflexowners@yahoogroups. , John D <dc2daylight@com ...> wrote:
>
> I also tried the k-mod and didn't the the BWAHHHHHHH sound the bike made after. I wound up putting on an AFTERMARKET Malossi variator and experimented with different variations of weights until I found one that suited my choice for acceleration and performance. If anyone is interested and can't find my old posts, I'll go through my notes and try to re-publish the specifics.
>
> John in Seattle
> '03 Standard
>
- 2a.
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Re: Time For The Major 18,000 Mile Service/ Kmod---again!
Posted by: "markobaldo" msbryer@gmail.com markobaldo
Wed Mar 3, 2010 6:58 am (PST)
Certainly your choice. I WAS of the same mindset---who am I to mess with Honda's engineering? Still, all the talk of the Kmod on this forum kept yankin' at me. So I decide to "try" it for a weekend. Well, 10K miles later I have NO intention of returning.
Which makes me wonder???? How many of you out there HAVE tried the Kmod, then switched back?? Reason(s) why you decided not to stay modded??
Thanks, Mark
--- In hondareflexowners@yahoogroups. , "willyjumpup" <6at2004@...com > wrote:
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> Not to put anyone down, but it seems the desire to mess with Honda's well designed mechanicals is a mistake. For example, I'm reading this post about major service and from what I see this Reflex is performing above and beyond my expectations. 75 MPH for short periods is OK but for hours at a time is proof that the drivetrain designed by Honda is perfect as is. With the tiny wheels on a Reflex I'm thinking 18K is probably equivilant to 36K on a motorcycle. These scooters can take a beating so the need to modify a great machine with aftermarket parts seems contradictory. So MY SUGGESTION is to replace stock drivetrain parts with original factory parts.
>
- 3a.
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10 Gram Roller Weights
Posted by: "donedeal999" pal996@lycos.com donedeal999
Wed Mar 3, 2010 9:30 am (PST)
Anyone know where I can find some 10 gram roller weights for the Reflex?
Thanks in advance.
JP
- 3b.
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Re: 10 Gram Roller Weights
Posted by: "TubaTim" phreadbarnz@gmail.com phreadbarnz
Wed Mar 3, 2010 10:57 am (PST)
http://www.google.com/#hl=en& source=hp& q=10+gram+ roller+weights+ for+Honda+ Reflex&btnG= Google+Search& aq=f&aqi= &aql=&oq= 10+gram+roller+ weights+for+ Honda+Reflex& fp=f15a301262521 d7
or
http://tinyurl.com/yj8neza
TravlinTim (who always uses Google first) Hansen
phreadbarnz@iwon.com
--- In hondareflexowners@yahoogroups. , "donedeal999" <pal996@...> wrote:com
>
> Anyone know where I can find some 10 gram roller weights for the Reflex?
>
> Thanks in advance.
> JP
>
- 3c.
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Re: 10 Gram Roller Weights
Posted by: "BruceK" bruce@aplusservices.com bruceakoehler
Wed Mar 3, 2010 1:52 pm (PST)
Why?
ANY weight in the BLACK (BK) ramps WILL cause a lag. I even used aluminum tubing (less than 10g) in researching what became the Koehler Mod - still a lag.
For what it's worth
Bruce Koehler - the Koehlerizer
Santa Cruz, CA
--- In hondareflexowners@yahoogroups. , "donedeal999" <pal996@...> wrote:com
>
> Anyone know where I can find some 10 gram roller weights for the Reflex?
>
> Thanks in advance.
> JP
>
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Cold Start
Posted by: "dennismatice" dennismatice@att.net dennismatice
Wed Mar 3, 2010 1:30 pm (PST)
Being new to the group, this may have covered before....but here goes.
I've only been riding my 2006 Reflex a couple of weeks and it's been a bit cold in the mornings here in Houston. High 30s to low 40s. The engine fires up nicely but the idle speed with the cold engine is very low and the engine dies. It takes 3-4 tries and finally the engine continues to run----very slowly. Once running and warmed-up, everything is fine. As per the manual, opening the throttle does no good due to the CV carb. Am I doing something wrong? I there an adjustment somewhere that will increase the rpms at cold-start?
Dennis
- 4b.
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Re: Cold Start
Posted by: "BruceK" bruce@aplusservices.com bruceakoehler
Wed Mar 3, 2010 1:41 pm (PST)
First, be sure that the idle speed WHEN WARM is 1500 to 1600 RPM - THAT is adjustable.
There is no adjustment for cold idle - except for you hand on the throttle. Unlike fuel injected engines, the Reflex is "open loop" - there is no computer control of RPM.
It's usually best to leave the throttle fully closed until it starts on COLD DAYS - as opening the throttle admits more air and defeats the SEV (Starting Enrichment). Once it starts, us the throttle to keep the engine running at around 2000 RPM until you can back it off and it idles normally.
Also, try a different brand of fuel - some perform better than others in cold weather.
Hope that helps
Bruce Koehler - the Koehlerizer
Santa Cruz, CA
--- In hondareflexowners@yahoogroups. , "dennismatice" <dennismatice@com ...> wrote:
>
> Being new to the group, this may have covered before....but here goes.
> I've only been riding my 2006 Reflex a couple of weeks and it's been a bit cold in the mornings here in Houston. High 30s to low 40s. The engine fires up nicely but the idle speed with the cold engine is very low and the engine dies. It takes 3-4 tries and finally the engine continues to run----very slowly. Once running and warmed-up, everything is fine. As per the manual, opening the throttle does no good due to the CV carb. Am I doing something wrong? I there an adjustment somewhere that will increase the rpms at cold-start?
> Dennis
>
- 4c.
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Re: Cold Start
Posted by: "willyjumpup" 6at2004@optonline.net willyjumpup
Wed Mar 3, 2010 2:30 pm (PST)
I just solved the exact same problem you described. When I adjusted the valves to the proper clearance, instaneous starts without touching the throttle in the coldest weather was the reward. The local dealer was no help. Prior to the adjustment IF I could get it to start and warmed up, the rest of the day's starting was trouble free. Next morning ,however, same old hard start in cold weather. It ran so well when warmed up the valve adjustment, which was too tight, never even occurred to me. Hope this might help.
--- In hondareflexowners@yahoogroups. , "dennismatice" <dennismatice@com ...> wrote:
>
> Being new to the group, this may have covered before....but here goes.
> I've only been riding my 2006 Reflex a couple of weeks and it's been a bit cold in the mornings here in Houston. High 30s to low 40s. The engine fires up nicely but the idle speed with the cold engine is very low and the engine dies. It takes 3-4 tries and finally the engine continues to run----very slowly. Once running and warmed-up, everything is fine. As per the manual, opening the throttle does no good due to the CV carb. Am I doing something wrong? I there an adjustment somewhere that will increase the rpms at cold-start?
> Dennis
>
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[RE]Honda Reflex Group Re: 10 Gram Roller Weights
Posted by: "joe pal" pal996@lycos.com donedeal999
Wed Mar 3, 2010 7:49 pm (PST)
I did try the K-Mod but most of my riding is 30-40 MPH city and I don't like running arround at 6,000 rpm at those slower speeds.
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Subject : Honda Reflex Group Re: 10 Gram Roller Weights
Date : Wed, 03 Mar 2010 21:24:57 -0000
From : "BruceK" <bruce@aplusservices.com >
To : hondareflexowners@yahoogroups. com
Why?
ANY weight in the BLACK (BK) ramps WILL cause a lag. I even used aluminum tubing (less than 10g) in researching what became the Koehler Mod - still a lag.
For what it's worth
Bruce Koehler - the Koehlerizer
Santa Cruz, CA
--- In hondareflexowners@yahoogroups. , "donedeal999" wrote:com
>
> Anyone know where I can find some 10 gram roller weights for the Reflex?
>
> Thanks in advance.
> JP
>
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If you're looking for another kind of Honda
Posted by: "iwantblinds" iwantblinds@yahoo.com iwantblinds
Wed Mar 3, 2010 9:19 pm (PST)
I won't say "upgrade" because I know, miss and love the Reflex and it's a completely different ride. If you have interest, I am selling my ST1100. Here da link. http://motors.upillar.com/ listings/ 28216
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