Thursday, February 18, 2010

Honda Reflex Group Digest Number 4741

Messages In This Digest (5 Messages)

1a.
Re: Loose Rear Wheel From: lawrence
1b.
Re: Loose Rear Wheel From: doranosaurus
1c.
Re: Loose Rear Wheel From: TubaTim
1d.
Re: Loose Rear Wheel From: BruceK
1e.
Re: Loose Rear Wheel From: Michael

Messages

1a.

Re: Loose Rear Wheel

Posted by: "lawrence" klosiewski@hotmail.com   lklosiewski

Wed Feb 17, 2010 11:58 am (PST)



This happened to my Honda Helix. It has a similar design. This is not good, but it can be dealt with. The bearings you need to change are in the sub-transmission in the rear drive. They were common bearings that I bought at a bearing shop. I needed to take them in to be matched because Honda puts their own part numbers on them and that made no sense to the shop. They cost less than half of Honda prices.

If you've never worked on anything before, take it in. If you've replaced bearings in cars, motorcycles, etc. take a shot. I enjoy this sort of work on my own stuff.

The important thing is to get this fixed or it will leave you on the side of the road.

Ride Safe, Larry

--- In hondareflexowners@yahoogroups.com, "tonymarchman@..." <tonymarchman@...> wrote:
>
> I think that is why he is posting, he want us to help him find out why it is loose. Mine does not feel loose but makes a noise like something is needing attention. I have not been willing to remove everything in the rear wheel just to have a look. Has anyone had to replace the wheel bearings. Did you do it or the shop? How expensive was it?
> TIA
> Tony in Tn (where we are expecting the thaw to start today)
>

1b.

Re: Loose Rear Wheel

Posted by: "doranosaurus" doranosaurus@gmail.com   doranosaurus

Wed Feb 17, 2010 12:34 pm (PST)



Thanks for the response! I guess I'll have to take it in. Any idea how to find a good Reflex mechanic in the Seattle area?

--- In hondareflexowners@yahoogroups.com, "lawrence" <klosiewski@...> wrote:
>
> This happened to my Honda Helix. It has a similar design. This is not good, but it can be dealt with. The bearings you need to change are in the sub-transmission in the rear drive. They were common bearings that I bought at a bearing shop. I needed to take them in to be matched because Honda puts their own part numbers on them and that made no sense to the shop. They cost less than half of Honda prices.
>
> If you've never worked on anything before, take it in. If you've replaced bearings in cars, motorcycles, etc. take a shot. I enjoy this sort of work on my own stuff.
>
> The important thing is to get this fixed or it will leave you on the side of the road.
>
> Ride Safe, Larry
>
> --- In hondareflexowners@yahoogroups.com, "tonymarchman@" <tonymarchman@> wrote:
> >
> > I think that is why he is posting, he want us to help him find out why it is loose. Mine does not feel loose but makes a noise like something is needing attention. I have not been willing to remove everything in the rear wheel just to have a look. Has anyone had to replace the wheel bearings. Did you do it or the shop? How expensive was it?
> > TIA
> > Tony in Tn (where we are expecting the thaw to start today)
> >
>

1c.

Re: Loose Rear Wheel

Posted by: "TubaTim" phreadbarnz@gmail.com   phreadbarnz

Wed Feb 17, 2010 12:37 pm (PST)



It is possible that the inner collar ([COLLAR, RR. AXLE] - [42311-KFG-J00]) is installed backwards. I've done this mistakenly once or twice and even though the torque was correct, I'd get side to side play.

If you're rear wheel was off ever, I'd check that.
HTH
TravlinTim (who will fix it for free in Ventura, CA) Hansen
phreadbarnz@iwon.com

--- In hondareflexowners@yahoogroups.com, "doranosaurus" <doranosaurus@...> wrote:
>
> I've noticed my rear wheel is loose. I don't know if it's always been like that but this is the first I've noticed it. On the center stand when I jiggle it, there's about 1/4 inch of play in all directions. If it were a bicycle this would be a sign of very worn hub bearings or a very poorly adjusted hub. Is that the case on a Reflex or is that just the normal amount of play that a rear wheel has?
>
> Is it a problem or is it normal?
>
> Thanks!
> -Doran-
> Silver 2001 Reflex daily driver.
>

1d.

Re: Loose Rear Wheel

Posted by: "BruceK" bruce@aplusservices.com   bruceakoehler

Wed Feb 17, 2010 7:41 pm (PST)



STOP RIDING IT!

This has been heard of before. I believe that the bearing was not installed properly when built.

The bearing may not be bad - just not properly installed.

You need to remove the rear wheel and investigate for that point on...

Please post back with your findings

Hope that helps

Bruce Koehler - the Koehlerizer
Santa Cruz, CA

--- In hondareflexowners@yahoogroups.com, "doranosaurus" <doranosaurus@...> wrote:
>
> I've noticed my rear wheel is loose. I don't know if it's always been like that but this is the first I've noticed it. On the center stand when I jiggle it, there's about 1/4 inch of play in all directions. If it were a bicycle this would be a sign of very worn hub bearings or a very poorly adjusted hub. Is that the case on a Reflex or is that just the normal amount of play that a rear wheel has?
>
> Is it a problem or is it normal?
>
> Thanks!
> -Doran-
> Silver 2001 Reflex daily driver.
>

1e.

Re: Loose Rear Wheel

Posted by: "Michael" mbr987@comcast.net   bandito_two

Wed Feb 17, 2010 10:50 pm (PST)



--- In hondareflexowners@yahoogroups.com, "doranosaurus" <doranosaurus@...> wrote:
>
> I've noticed my rear wheel is loose. I don't know if it's always been like that but this is the first I've noticed it. On the center stand when I jiggle it, there's about 1/4 inch of play in all directions. If it were a bicycle this would be a sign of very worn hub bearings or a very poorly adjusted hub. Is that the case on a Reflex or is that just the normal amount of play that a rear wheel has?
>
> Is it a problem or is it normal?
>
> Thanks!
> -Doran-
> Silver 2001 Reflex daily driver.
>
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Not normal and most likely a problem. Going from probably worst
case to less problematic as I see it, consider the following:

It could be bad bearings in the final drive gears at the drive shaft
and/or the axle bearing at the swingarm.

It could also be the wheel itself and badly worn where it fits onto
the splines of the drive shaft.

Then of course it could be just a loose axle nut.

The manual points out that rear wheel wobble can be caused by a bent
rim or low tire pressure, but from your description, this does not
seem to be the cause.

Just because it would be the simplest thing to do first, tighten the
rear axle nut to spec.(use a torque wrench set to proper torque
setting)118 Newton/meters or the equivalent of 87 foot pounds. Then
if it doesn't wiggle, then you are probably good to go. If it still
has that much play in the wheel, then you'll need to remove if for
further diagnosing.
After removing the swingarm, see if the wheel can still wobble on the
driveshaft. There is a spacer pipe (inner collar) that covers part of
the axle. Check to make sure its turned around the correct way.
(narrow section toward swingarm) Remove that spacer pipe and then
remove the wheel. You should be able to see if there is any dark
grittiness on the splines of the drive shaft. If there is, then you
might also be able to see visible signs of wear inside the wheel
where the axle goes through. If that is chewed up then you're looking
at getting a new wheel.

After removing the wheel, try moving the drive shaft. If the drive
shaft moves, that would probably mean a bad bearing at the final
drive.

In any event, I wouldn't ride it any more if I were you until the
problem was identified and repaired. There could be more than what
I've pointed out, but I think these are the likely suspects.

Mike B.

(Rochester Hills Michigan Double Dark Side Rider)
(2007 Honda NSS250S Reflex Sport "Scarlet")
(2006 Honda FSC600A Silverwing "Jester")
( Both with a car tire on the rear )
(and scooter rear tire on the front)

"Great ideas often receive violent opposition from mediocre minds." - Albert Einstein

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