Messages In This Digest (25 Messages)
- 1a.
- Re: Thanks all From: Dave Zurn (jr)
- 1b.
- Re: Thanks all From: Ira K
- 1c.
- Re: Thanks all From: Joe Barnhart
- 2a.
- Re: I did it. An '05 in the garage!! So how do I ride it? From: Dave Zurn (jr)
- 3a.
- Re: ABS Repair From: Dave Zurn (jr)
- 3b.
- Re: ABS Repair From: Joe Barnhart
- 3c.
- Re: ABS Repair From: BruceK
- 3d.
- Re: ABS Repair From: BruceK
- 3e.
- Re: ABS Repair From: BruceK
- 3f.
- Re: ABS Repair From: GeoB
- 3g.
- Re: ABS Repair From: Joe Barnhart
- 3h.
- Re: ABS Repair From: Bob Evans
- 3i.
- Re: ABS Repair From: Joe Barnhart
- 3j.
- Re: ABS Repair From: GeoB
- 3k.
- Re: ABS Repair From: GeoB
- 4a.
- Re: "New Gates Scooter Drive Belts Honda Reflex 250 PL30808" From: BruceK
- 4b.
- Re: "New Gates Scooter Drive Belts Honda Reflex 250 PL30808" From: Domenic_wiz
- 4c.
- Re: "New Gates Scooter Drive Belts Honda Reflex 250 PL30808" From: TubaTim
- 4d.
- Re: "New Gates Scooter Drive Belts Honda Reflex 250 PL30808" From: GeoB
- 4e.
- Re: "New Gates Scooter Drive Belts Honda Reflex 250 PL30808" From: Joe Barnhart
- 5a.
- Re: 2002 reflex From: BruceK
- 5b.
- Re: 2002 reflex From: Joe Barnhart
- 5c.
- Re: 2002 reflex From: Jeff K
- 5d.
- Re: 2002 reflex From: jim borton
- 6a.
- modded K-mod expectations - Warning! From: GeoB
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Re: Thanks all
Posted by: "Dave Zurn (jr)" zurn@gatech.edu the_irondave
Wed May 5, 2010 6:24 am (PDT)
It's the economy.
I had my 2001 Reflex listed at $1200 in Atlanta, no takers. I didn't even have anyone come look at it, at that price!
I've since decided that it is not worth it to sell with the way the market is. I'm just going to hold onto the Reflex until it dies on me (which, by many members here -- Joe specifically -- means that I have at least 50k miles to go)
The bottom line is, if you don't have to sell it, hold on to it. It's a great market for buyers right now -- I just bought my fiancee a brand-new 2009 Buddy 125 for $1500. Two years ago, that would have cost me over $3000.
- Dave
--- In hondareflexowners@yahoogroups. , "esvs" <esvs@...> wrote:com
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> I was getting shell shock from the offers I was getting. Live in Pompano Beach, Florida. You can ride every day. Just don't understand why it hasn't sold
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Re: Thanks all
Posted by: "Ira K" bigirakay@yahoo.com bigirakay
Wed May 5, 2010 3:58 pm (PDT)
I will be in POMPANO BEACH in December. I stay at the LA COSTA RESORT. If you don"t sell it by then I will buy it BIGIRA
--- On Wed, 5/5/10, esvs <esvs@yahoo.com> wrote:
From: esvs <esvs@yahoo.com>
Subject: Honda Reflex Group Thanks all
To: hondareflexowners@yahoogroups. com
Date: Wednesday, May 5, 2010, 8:48 AM
I was getting shell shock from the offers I was getting. Live in Pompano Beach, Florida. You can ride every day. Just don't understand why it hasn't sold
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Re: Thanks all
Posted by: "Joe Barnhart" flaboye@gmail.com jtbgnsv
Wed May 5, 2010 4:43 pm (PDT)
Don't even think about it Ira, I'm only a couple hours away, and about to
wear out my '01 :)
On Wed, May 5, 2010 at 6:58 PM, Ira K <bigirakay@yahoo.com > wrote:
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> I will be in POMPANO BEACH in December. I stay at the LA COSTA
> RESORT. If you don"t sell it by then I will buy it BIGIRA
> --- On Wed, 5/5/10, esvs <esvs@yahoo.com <esvs%40yahoo.com>> wrote:
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> From: esvs <esvs@yahoo.com <esvs%40yahoo.com>>
> Subject: Honda Reflex Group Thanks all
> To: hondareflexowners@yahoogroups. <hondareflexowners%com 40yahoogroups. com>
> Date: Wednesday, May 5, 2010, 8:48 AM
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> I was getting shell shock from the offers I was getting. Live in Pompano
> Beach, Florida. You can ride every day. Just don't understand why it hasn't
> sold
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Re: I did it. An '05 in the garage!! So how do I ride it?
Posted by: "Dave Zurn (jr)" zurn@gatech.edu the_irondave
Wed May 5, 2010 6:27 am (PDT)
If you're anywhere near Atlanta any time soon, I have a trashed old 50cc Honda Spree that could at least get you started on scooting. You could borrow it, or buy it for a couple hundred dollars; the thing is old and beaten to shreds.
The Reflex is a completely different beast, but you have to start somewhere.
I learned from scratch with 0 motorcycling experience, and no instruction how to ride my Reflex. I dropped it when parked once (the kickstand sunk into the ground), but never at speed. Go slow, take no risks, and watch out for any gravel, sand, or road debris -- you want to be upright, straight, and slow over any debris.
The important thing is to read, read, read about how to ride and go putter around the neighborhood once you feel confident enough to. Slowly step up, and one day you'll be confident enough to cruise down the highway on your Reflex.
--- In hondareflexowners@yahoogroups. , "jaluvri" <jaluvri@...com > wrote:
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> I bought an '05 Reflex and I'm so excited to hop on and twist the throttle! The only prob is that I'm a top heavy, 37 yr old that has never piloted a 2 wheeled vehicle. I'm close to Birmingham Al and would like some tips on safety classes or riding instructions. I'm really not trying to be a baby but I wanna have fun AND see my kids grow up. Any suggestions. PS mine has 3k miles on it. What is the longivity of these fellas? THANKS FOR YOUR TIME!!!
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Re: ABS Repair
Posted by: "Dave Zurn (jr)" zurn@gatech.edu the_irondave
Wed May 5, 2010 6:33 am (PDT)
My rear ABS sensor is shot, and I ride without ABS with no problems. The blinking red light is annoying, but you have to deal with it.
I just looked online -- the part retails for about $825. Crazy. I'd just drive it without ABS, if you can.
--- In hondareflexowners@yahoogroups. , "Scott" <bristers@..com .> wrote:
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> My 2001 Reflex had the front brake stiffen. Two different shops have told me the ABS needs to be replaced. The cost is $1,200 for the part alone. I don't understand this, since the difference in the ABS vs. the non-ABS models when I bought the bike was only $500.
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> Has any of you had the need to replace the ABS and what was the cost? Any guidance here would be helpful since this part will cost 1/4 of the original purchase, but substantially less than a new scooter.
>
> Thanks for any input.
>
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Re: ABS Repair
Posted by: "Joe Barnhart" flaboye@gmail.com jtbgnsv
Wed May 5, 2010 6:41 am (PDT)
Another reason why I don't understand all the bother and fuss with ABS, it's
unnecessary and just one more thing to go boom.
People have been riding motorcycles for a century without ABS.
On Wed, May 5, 2010 at 9:31 AM, Dave Zurn (jr) <zurn@gatech.edu > wrote:
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>
> My rear ABS sensor is shot, and I ride without ABS with no problems. The
> blinking red light is annoying, but you have to deal with it.
>
> I just looked online -- the part retails for about $825. Crazy. I'd just
> drive it without ABS, if you can.
>
> --- In hondareflexowners@yahoogroups. <hondareflexowners%com 40yahoogroups. com>,
> "Scott" <bristers@...> wrote:
> >
> > My 2001 Reflex had the front brake stiffen. Two different shops have told
> me the ABS needs to be replaced. The cost is $1,200 for the part alone. I
> don't understand this, since the difference in the ABS vs. the non-ABS
> models when I bought the bike was only $500.
> >
> > Has any of you had the need to replace the ABS and what was the cost? Any
> guidance here would be helpful since this part will cost 1/4 of the original
> purchase, but substantially less than a new scooter.
> >
> > Thanks for any input.
> >
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Re: ABS Repair
Posted by: "BruceK" bruce@aplusservices.com bruceakoehler
Wed May 5, 2010 9:18 am (PDT)
Unhook the bulb - or put some tape over it...
--- In hondareflexowners@yahoogroups. , "Dave Zurn (jr)" <zurn@...> wrote:com
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> My rear ABS sensor is shot, and I ride without ABS with no problems. The blinking red light is annoying, but you have to deal with it.
>
> I just looked online -- the part retails for about $825. Crazy. I'd just drive it without ABS, if you can.
>
> --- In hondareflexowners@yahoogroups. , "Scott" <bristers@> wrote:com
> >
> > My 2001 Reflex had the front brake stiffen. Two different shops have told me the ABS needs to be replaced. The cost is $1,200 for the part alone. I don't understand this, since the difference in the ABS vs. the non-ABS models when I bought the bike was only $500.
> >
> > Has any of you had the need to replace the ABS and what was the cost? Any guidance here would be helpful since this part will cost 1/4 of the original purchase, but substantially less than a new scooter.
> >
> > Thanks for any input.
> >
>
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Re: ABS Repair
Posted by: "BruceK" bruce@aplusservices.com bruceakoehler
Wed May 5, 2010 9:26 am (PDT)
Probably the best part of the Reflex Service Manual is the coverage on ABS. It was written so that people who don't understand it (which obviously includes the two shops you talked to) could systematically isolate the problem. It appears that those two shops use the "shotgun" approach - REPLACE EVERYTHING - and it makes them a lot of $ without needing intelligence.
So get the Service Manual and use it - or if you're not up to it, find someone comfortable with electrical troubleshooting (not a strength at cycle repair shops) to help you out.
Hope that helps
Bruce Koehler - the Koehlerizer
Santa Cruz, CA
--- In hondareflexowners@yahoogroups. , "Scott" <bristers@..com .> wrote:
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> My 2001 Reflex had the front brake stiffen. Two different shops have told me the ABS needs to be replaced. The cost is $1,200 for the part alone. I don't understand this, since the difference in the ABS vs. the non-ABS models when I bought the bike was only $500.
>
> Has any of you had the need to replace the ABS and what was the cost? Any guidance here would be helpful since this part will cost 1/4 of the original purchase, but substantially less than a new scooter.
>
> Thanks for any input.
>
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Re: ABS Repair
Posted by: "BruceK" bruce@aplusservices.com bruceakoehler
Wed May 5, 2010 9:28 am (PDT)
And actually it could be EITHER of the Lever Cylinders (master cylinders) - or the front Brake Caliper - both more likely than the ABS.
Bruce
--- In hondareflexowners@yahoogroups. , "Scott" <bristers@..com .> wrote:
>
> My 2001 Reflex had the front brake stiffen. Two different shops have told me the ABS needs to be replaced. The cost is $1,200 for the part alone. I don't understand this, since the difference in the ABS vs. the non-ABS models when I bought the bike was only $500.
>
> Has any of you had the need to replace the ABS and what was the cost? Any guidance here would be helpful since this part will cost 1/4 of the original purchase, but substantially less than a new scooter.
>
> Thanks for any input.
>
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Re: ABS Repair
Posted by: "GeoB" gab16@sbcglobal.net negrekboshlinov
Wed May 5, 2010 4:33 pm (PDT)
> Another reason why I don't understand all the bother and fuss with ABS, it's unnecessary and just one more thing to go boom. People have been riding motorcycles for a century without ABS.
This sounds like a troll, but I will answer seriously in case your post may influence somebody to their harm.
ABS is a wonderful thing. I bought my scooter BECAUSE it had ABS. Police departments around the country switched from Harleys to brands that offered ABS a few years back. They didn't decide to pay the extra cost blindly without researching the issue.
I am experienced on two wheels as anyone in here, having owned well over a hundred motorcycles. Think last count was around 250. Yes, I rode them all, but did buy and sell and repair as a business in college. I have several hundred thousand miles on two wheels, not sure how many K. This is touring, commuting, scrambles racing, hill climbing, dirt riding etc. Major rides were Hondas, BMW, Moto Guzzi.
I don't want to speak harshly but I feel the anti-ABS I have heard is not factually based. A lot of it is people claiming THEY can out-brake an ABS. I do not begin to believe this. Trial after trial has shown that humans can't. They did exhaustive tests on this topic with successful racers of all stripes, long distance commuters, and your basic hot-dawg on a crotch-rocket. No can do. It is easy to claim you are an exceptional human being, a freak of nature with reflexes of a cat... but you may bring harm to others with this nonsense.
Newbies, BUY ABS!!! It may save your life!!
This topic has been discussed on here before.
GeoB
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Re: ABS Repair
Posted by: "Joe Barnhart" flaboye@gmail.com jtbgnsv
Wed May 5, 2010 4:36 pm (PDT)
To call me a troll is absolutely unacceptable.
I was stating a simple opinion.
I'm not anti-ABS.
I could care a less if you waste you rmoney on purchasing a bike with ABS,
or wait on the "perfect opportunity" to get ABS.
What I can guarantee you without fail is this:
I will stop my silverwing, my vulcan 750, or my reflex as good as you
without wiping out, locking up, or falling in any circumstance and you can
name the place, the road, the conditions, etc.
Please keep personal attacks inside your own head.
I've put almost 100,000 miles between 3 bikes in the last 12 months.
Come see me when you have something intelligent to say.
Joe
On Wed, May 5, 2010 at 7:32 PM, GeoB <gab16@sbcglobal.net > wrote:
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>
> > Another reason why I don't understand all the bother and fuss with ABS,
> it's unnecessary and just one more thing to go boom. People have been riding
> motorcycles for a century without ABS.
>
> This sounds like a troll, but I will answer seriously in case your post may
> influence somebody to their harm.
>
> ABS is a wonderful thing. I bought my scooter BECAUSE it had ABS. Police
> departments around the country switched from Harleys to brands that offered
> ABS a few years back. They didn't decide to pay the extra cost blindly
> without researching the issue.
>
> I am experienced on two wheels as anyone in here, having owned well over a
> hundred motorcycles. Think last count was around 250. Yes, I rode them all,
> but did buy and sell and repair as a business in college. I have several
> hundred thousand miles on two wheels, not sure how many K. This is touring,
> commuting, scrambles racing, hill climbing, dirt riding etc. Major rides
> were Hondas, BMW, Moto Guzzi.
>
> I don't want to speak harshly but I feel the anti-ABS I have heard is not
> factually based. A lot of it is people claiming THEY can out-brake an ABS. I
> do not begin to believe this. Trial after trial has shown that humans can't.
> They did exhaustive tests on this topic with successful racers of all
> stripes, long distance commuters, and your basic hot-dawg on a
> crotch-rocket. No can do. It is easy to claim you are an exceptional human
> being, a freak of nature with reflexes of a cat... but you may bring harm to
> others with this nonsense.
>
> Newbies, BUY ABS!!! It may save your life!!
>
> This topic has been discussed on here before.
>
> GeoB
>
>
>
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Re: ABS Repair
Posted by: "Bob Evans" bobevans@windstream.net bobevans.6337
Wed May 5, 2010 5:05 pm (PDT)
Joe,
Don't know you or anything about you....doesn't matter. You say you've put
almost 100,000 miles on 3 bikes in 12 months. Your words not mine. But the
simple math tells me you have to put on 273.9726 miles per day. Seems to me
that's a lot of riding for anyone to do & still maintain a home & a job.
Where do you find time to sleep ? I'm not a real bright guy but I do have a
calculator. Would you like to reconsider your figures. ?
Bob
----- Original Message -----
From: "Joe Barnhart" <flaboye@gmail.com >
To: <hondareflexowners@yahoogroups. >com
Sent: Wednesday, May 05, 2010 6:36 PM
Subject: Re: Honda Reflex Group Re: ABS Repair......
..............
> I've put almost 100,000 miles between 3 bikes in the last 12 months.
>
> Come see me when you have something intelligent to say.
>
> Joe
>
>
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Re: ABS Repair
Posted by: "Joe Barnhart" flaboye@gmail.com jtbgnsv
Wed May 5, 2010 5:09 pm (PDT)
Well, I'm not going to entertain your BS much more than this.
On a daily basis I do a commute of 140 miles. On weekends I do a flea
market, which is over 100 both ways, and I also dive and do other
recreational activities.
I also went to Mardi Gras which is in Louisiana (in case your too retarted
to know)
I also went to Octoberfest, Bike Week, and Bike Week Louisiana (which is
also in New Orleans)
I also have friends in Tallahassee which I have been up to see several
times, which is 150 miles each way.
To put it bluntly, go f*** yourself.
Joe
On Wed, May 5, 2010 at 8:05 PM, Bob Evans <bobevans@windstream.net > wrote:
> Joe,
>
> Don't know you or anything about you....doesn't matter. You say you've put
> almost 100,000 miles on 3 bikes in 12 months. Your words not mine. But the
> simple math tells me you have to put on 273.9726 miles per day. Seems to me
> that's a lot of riding for anyone to do & still maintain a home & a job.
> Where do you find time to sleep ? I'm not a real bright guy but I do have a
> calculator. Would you like to reconsider your figures. ?
>
> Bob
>
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Joe Barnhart" <flaboye@gmail.com >
> To: <hondareflexowners@yahoogroups. >com
> Sent: Wednesday, May 05, 2010 6:36 PM
> Subject: Re: Honda Reflex Group Re: ABS Repair......
>
>
> ..............
> > I've put almost 100,000 miles between 3 bikes in the last 12 months.
> >
> > Come see me when you have something intelligent to say.
> >
> > Joe
> >
> >
>
>
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> Yahoo! Groups Links
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Re: ABS Repair
Posted by: "GeoB" gab16@sbcglobal.net negrekboshlinov
Wed May 5, 2010 5:11 pm (PDT)
> To call me a troll is absolutely unacceptable.
I said, "This sounds like a troll". It still SOUNDS like a troll, and you are responding as though it is. In actual fact I was not thinking of labeling you a troll... I was explaining to the list that even though it sounded like a troll I would answer it seriously for a good reason.
> Please keep personal attacks inside your own head.
The attack IS in your own head.
> I'm not anti-ABS.
Oh. I should have known that. You said: bother, fuss, unnecessary and "go boom". Sorry I got the wrong message from that.
WHERE does the personal attack come in???? Later in my post I was obviously and directly refering to people who WERE anit-ABS and preached against them.
> I will stop my silverwing, my vulcan 750, or my reflex as good as you without wiping out, locking up, or falling in any circumstance and you can name the place, the road, the conditions, etc.
<sigh> Sheesh, I could lip-synch that as you typed, it was so predictable.
Please note that I am not saying I am a better rider than you. I cited my experience in order that a newbie reading this wouldn't wonder if I was also a newbie who simply read about ABS in a magazine somewhere.
> Come see me when you have something intelligent to say.
Can we quiet down and address the actual content of my post?
OK, you have objected to a couple of things but they turn out to be not true about my post. I explained all that above.
You are ignoring the basic, most important material in my post. Are you saying these tests have NOT taken place? That to cite these tests is NOT an intelligent thing to say? Do you feel the FACTS are not relevant or intelligent?
GeoB
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Re: ABS Repair
Posted by: "GeoB" gab16@sbcglobal.net negrekboshlinov
Wed May 5, 2010 5:22 pm (PDT)
> (in case your too retarted to know)
Umm.. do you mean 'retarded'?
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Re: "New Gates Scooter Drive Belts Honda Reflex 250 PL30808"
Posted by: "BruceK" bruce@aplusservices.com bruceakoehler
Wed May 5, 2010 9:19 am (PDT)
Thanks Ed!
I posted your info in the FILES section - belt_info.txt
Bruce
--- In hondareflexowners@yahoogroups. , "Ed" <dunkkizing@com ...> wrote:
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> Hello All
> Just received today a belt from BikeBandit with honda part# 23100-KFGA-0030
>
> Outside circumference measured with seamiest tape 37 5/8 inches 924 mm
> Width measured with micrometer .94 inches 3.46 mm
> Height measured with micrometer .431 inches 10.95 mm
> I will stay with the OEM belt.
> ed
>
> --- In hondareflexowners@yahoogroups. , "BruceK" <bruce@> wrote:com
> >
> > Dunno... BUT a "CN-250" is a HELIX, not a Reflex, and they DO NOT use the same belt.
> >
> > The "22" width is correct (stated in the service manual), but I don't know the other specs.
> >
> > Does anyone have a NEW STOCK belt - if so, can you please CAREFULLY measure it for us?
> >
> >
> > Bruce
> >
> >
> > --- In hondareflexowners@yahoogroups. , "Joe Pal" <pal996@> wrote:com
> > >
> > > Bruce, Found a site that lists the size: Belts size - 906x22x30
> > >
> > > How does this size compare with the OEM?
> > >
> > > As little as $15.28 on Amazon. Order a couple and get free shipping.
> > >
> > > http://www.scooterpartsplace. com/gates- premium-powerlin k-kevlar- belt-honda- r
> > > eflex-cn-250.aspx
> > >
> > >
> > > From: hondareflexowners@yahoogroups. com
> > > [mailto:hondareflexowners@yahoogroups. ] On Behalf Of Brucecom
> > > Sent: Tuesday, May 04, 2010 9:28 AM
> > > To: hondareflexowners@yahoogroups. com
> > > Subject: Honda Reflex Group "New Gates Scooter Drive Belts Honda Reflex 250
> > > PL30808"
> > >
> > >
> > > I saw this listing on Ebay motors, Reflex 250 Gates drive belt PL30808.
> > > Does anyone know if this is a viable substitue for the OEM?
> > > It sounds "too good to be true", but some Gates belt do work on other
> > > scoots admirably.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
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> >
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Re: "New Gates Scooter Drive Belts Honda Reflex 250 PL30808"
Posted by: "Domenic_wiz" dparisano@comcast.net Domenic_wiz
Wed May 5, 2010 3:06 pm (PDT)
Hi Joe,
What brand belt do you use? I'm coming up on 9K and am already thinking about replacing it. Was gonna go with the Honda part but your post got my attention.
Thanks,
Domenic
--- In hondareflexowners@yahoogroups. , Joe Barnhart <flaboye@...com > wrote:
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> About to put my 4th belt in my '01, and have never had a failure using OEM
> replacements. Even the OEM which I put close to 13k on is still
> structurally sound, but narrowed. I change them at 10k now, as the extra
> 3,000 or so divided by the cost of the belt isn't worth a failure to me.
>
> I know they are costly, but in my opinion, worth it. I sat on a big rukus
> at the dealer on one of my tire trips, didn't ride it though. They seem to
> be even rarer than the reflex. As someone else pointed out, Tony I believe,
> dealers don't see reflex's or the ruckus very often, they just never give
> any problems generally. This is what they told me. They were also
> astonished at the amount of miles on my odometer, saying "only a honda".
>
> On Tue, May 4, 2010 at 2:33 PM, BruceK <bruce@...> wrote:
>
> >
> >
> > After reading some posts in a Big Rukus group (which is a Reflex in wolf's
> > clothing - same identical engine/drivetrain, I'm sorry to say since it is
> > sold as a dual-sport off-road capable), it turns out that the Gates belt
> > works, but is NOT IDENTICAL! - it is a bit narrower and shorter. Both
> > off-the-line and top speed suffered.
> >
> > The consensus there seemed to be that the stock Honda belt was still the
> > best choice.
> >
> > For what it's worth
> >
> > Bruce Koehler - the Koehlerizer
> > Santa Cruz, CA
> >
> >
> > --- In hondareflexowners@yahoogroups. <hondareflexowners%com 40yahoogroups. com>,
> > "BruceK" <bruce@> wrote:
> > >
> > > I checked on the Gates Rubber Co. web site and they DO make a replacement
> > belt for the Reflex:
> > >
> > > http://tinyurl.com/2df4q5f
> > > (I placed this link in the LINKS section)
> > >
> > > The Honda part # crosses to the Gates part # PL30808 which THEY state is
> > for the Reflex - so it should be OK. Gates makes quality stuff.
> > >
> > > Many aftermarket belts have INFERIOR INTERNAL STRUCTURE and fail quickly
> > (well documented in this group), and some have a narrower width. I doubt
> > that this is true with a Gates product.
> > >
> > > Beware of buying OLD STOCK - these rubber products have a useful life of
> > about 6 years from date of manufacture - the "sale" may be old stock.
> > >
> > > Thanks for the info!
> > >
> > > Bruce
> > >
> > >
> > > --- In hondareflexowners@yahoogroups. <hondareflexowners%com 40yahoogroups. com>,
> > "Bruce" <bremus@> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > I saw this listing on Ebay motors, Reflex 250 Gates drive belt PL30808.
> > > > Does anyone know if this is a viable substitue for the OEM?
> > > > It sounds "too good to be true", but some Gates belt do work on other
> > > > scoots admirably.
> > > >
> > >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
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Re: "New Gates Scooter Drive Belts Honda Reflex 250 PL30808"
Posted by: "TubaTim" phreadbarnz@gmail.com phreadbarnz
Wed May 5, 2010 3:16 pm (PDT)
You can't go wrong with OEM.
I've had a belt fail on me. It turned out OK, but if the rear wheel locks up, you are in trouble.
TravlinTim (who changes belts for free in Ventura, CA) Hansen
phreadbarnz@gmail.com
--- In hondareflexowners@yahoogroups. , "Domenic_wiz" <dparisano@.com ..> wrote:
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> Hi Joe,
>
> What brand belt do you use? I'm coming up on 9K and am already thinking about replacing it. Was gonna go with the Honda part but your post got my attention.
>
> Thanks,
> Domenic
>
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Re: "New Gates Scooter Drive Belts Honda Reflex 250 PL30808"
Posted by: "GeoB" gab16@sbcglobal.net negrekboshlinov
Wed May 5, 2010 4:01 pm (PDT)
I'm Baa-aaack!
> if the rear wheel locks up, you are in trouble.
Yes! Big time! And as stated elsewhere, also in the middle of traffic if you simply lose power.
> Was gonna go with the Honda part but your post got my attention.
It is my impression that the wearing surfaces on the drive belt are the edges. This means the width is critical. I don't recall the wear tolerance numbers from the manual BUT it isn't much! It may be that from 23.46mm down to 22 mm is extremely close to the max wear tolerance.
Last time I measured mine it was still within tolerance but I will still replace it at 10k miles no matter the obvious wear.
> Recently Gates Rubber - a very reputable company with quality products
I have a Ford diesel pickup. It has lots of belts and they run in a harsh environment. I replaced one with a reputable Gates belt. It lasted a year of not too much driving. The original Ford-marked belt went probably ten times as far and as long.
I went to all the automotive parts stores and bought the belts the original crossed to. I also bought a new Ford belt. I compared them all. The Ford belt was far and away the best built. The Gates had a thin layer of nylon(?) polyester(?) fabric on the outside surface, the rest was rubber. IIRC the Ford had a thicker layer there, plus another THICK layer of fabric in the middle of the cross-section. The Ford was by far the best quality.
This does not mean that Gates isn't a quality product, it may simply mean this belt was the closest match they had. I'm sure that properly matched their belts would be fine.
GeoB
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Re: "New Gates Scooter Drive Belts Honda Reflex 250 PL30808"
Posted by: "Joe Barnhart" flaboye@gmail.com jtbgnsv
Wed May 5, 2010 4:21 pm (PDT)
Hi Dominick.
By all means go with the honda oem belt. Don't cut corners or cost on this
particular item.
I probably ride more than anyone here on a regular basis. I can attest to
the fact that the OEM belt
is good for 12,000+ but I would take Bruce's suggestion and change them
around 10,000 miles.
I am on my 4th OEM belt just shy of 46k on the odometer. A couple of the
belts I ran past 12k obviously.
Howver, the additional miles divided by the cost isn't worth getting
stranded and I will no longer do so.
Having the rear lock is also a possibility though unlikely. Again it's your
life, why risk
it unnecessarily.
Cheers!
Joe
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Re: 2002 reflex
Posted by: "BruceK" bruce@aplusservices.com bruceakoehler
Wed May 5, 2010 9:22 am (PDT)
You are just coming in to "scooter season" now - be patient.
Consider listing it in cycletrader.com
Bruce
--- In hondareflexowners@yahoogroups. , "esvs" <esvs@...> wrote:com
>
> Trying to sell 2002 reflex with 6500 original miles. Asking $1500.00 no takers for 6 months. Scooter is in excellent condition. Candy Red no ABS. What is the selling price ? Have been offered $700.00. NADA book value is $1600-$2100.00. Whats wrong.
>
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Re: 2002 reflex
Posted by: "Joe Barnhart" flaboye@gmail.com jtbgnsv
Wed May 5, 2010 9:36 am (PDT)
That's true, and your being in Florida will help rather than hurt during the
hot summer.
Also, the cost of gas is creeping upwards, so more people, now that it's not
11 degrees outside (yes we had sub 15 degree mornings here for almost a week
straight) more will be inclined to consider a scooter/motorcycle.
I'm going to need another one next year sometime, unless this one I have
will keep going after 70,000 miles.
On Wed, May 5, 2010 at 12:21 PM, BruceK <bruce@aplusservices.com > wrote:
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>
> You are just coming in to "scooter season" now - be patient.
>
> Consider listing it in cycletrader.com
>
> Bruce
>
> --- In hondareflexowners@yahoogroups. <hondareflexowners%com 40yahoogroups. com>,
> "esvs" <esvs@...> wrote:
> >
> > Trying to sell 2002 reflex with 6500 original miles. Asking $1500.00 no
> takers for 6 months. Scooter is in excellent condition. Candy Red no ABS.
> What is the selling price ? Have been offered $700.00. NADA book value is
> $1600-$2100.00. Whats wrong.
> >
>
>
>
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Re: 2002 reflex
Posted by: "Jeff K" hacksaw329@yahoo.com hacksaw329
Wed May 5, 2010 12:49 pm (PDT)
When regular unleaded gasoline gets up to five dollars a gallon this summer, you will have people beating down your door with more money than $1500.
--- In hondareflexowners@yahoogroups. , "BruceK" <bruce@...> wrote:com
>
> You are just coming in to "scooter season" now - be patient.
>
> Consider listing it in cycletrader.com
>
> Bruce
>
> --- In hondareflexowners@yahoogroups. , "esvs" <esvs@> wrote:com
> >
> > Trying to sell 2002 reflex with 6500 original miles. Asking $1500.00 no takers for 6 months. Scooter is in excellent condition. Candy Red no ABS. What is the selling price ? Have been offered $700.00. NADA book value is $1600-$2100.00. Whats wrong.
> >
>
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Re: 2002 reflex
Posted by: "jim borton" gondola1545@yahoo.com gondola1545
Wed May 5, 2010 12:57 pm (PDT)
On the 2002 Reflex can you send some pics... I might be interested for my son... I have a Reflex and a cloned Reflex...
_____________________ _________ __
From: Jeff K <hacksaw329@yahoo.com >
To: hondareflexowners@yahoogroups. com
Sent: Wed, May 5, 2010 12:49:09 PM
Subject: Honda Reflex Group Re: 2002 reflex
When regular unleaded gasoline gets up to five dollars a gallon this summer, you will have people beating down your door with more money than $1500.
--- In hondareflexowners@ yahoogroups. com, "BruceK" <bruce@...> wrote:
>
> You are just coming in to "scooter season" now - be patient.
>
> Consider listing it in cycletrader. com
>
> Bruce
>
> --- In hondareflexowners@ yahoogroups. com, "esvs" <esvs@> wrote:
> >
> > Trying to sell 2002 reflex with 6500 original miles. Asking $1500.00 no takers for 6 months. Scooter is in excellent condition. Candy Red no ABS. What is the selling price ? Have been offered $700.00. NADA book value is $1600-$2100. 00. Whats wrong.
> >
>
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modded K-mod expectations - Warning!
Posted by: "GeoB" gab16@sbcglobal.net negrekboshlinov
Wed May 5, 2010 4:18 pm (PDT)
> I fooled around with it to determine how much weight I needed, then I melted the lead and poured it into the middle hole. Then I drilled out lead while weighing on an accurate gram scale, till I got the right weight and got all rollers equal.
To refresh, here I was trying to get rid of the big rev-up when I take off, with the std K-mod. I like to be able to putt-putt through neighborhoods and little country roads and stuff without all the noise and such at lower speeds. In other words I like to use a higher gear.
Around town I like it with the extra lead in the weights. Nice and quiet, lower rpm at start-off and also on up to top gear.
On a couple of road trips I had over-heating problems. I am beginning to wonder if I am not turning enough rpm. On one trip of several hundred miles I was fighting a big head wind and I was not going very fast. In retrospect I wonder if I was spinning the motor fast enough there.
On the other trip I was just going down the freeway. It shouldn't have over-heated. I have changed the coolant, refilled, bled the system, made sure it was full. My fan works. Not so sure about my thermostat, but I think so. Honda parts don't wear out in 9k miles.
So This is a WARNING to not do as I have done, unless you understand this potential risk. I will be investigating, probably swapping back to my stock weights as a standard k-mod.
GeoB
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