Tuesday, April 13, 2010

Honda Reflex Group Digest Number 4795

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1a.

Re: Cover for  'Rex 2000'

Posted by: "tailmaster" freedomfyter@yahoo.com   tailmaster

Mon Apr 12, 2010 6:36 am (PDT)



If an $80 cover has holes where there aren't supposed to be any, you've been ripped off.

I paid $75 for a Nelson-Rigg full cover that has served well for several years. NOTE: Do NOT try to find a "scooter" cover for the Reflex. The full-size large motorcycle fits maxi-scooters nicely.

Or, as long as the exhaust system is cold, you could always use a tired old bed sheet and some rope. :)

--- In hondareflexowners@yahoogroups.com, "wichita_zeb" <edmondson.seth@...> wrote:
>
> Does anyone know of a good cover they would recommend for the Reflex. I just took the one out of the box I ordered from the local Honda dealer and it had some holes in it. I paid about $80 and can't help but feel that there's something better out there.
>
> BTW: The storage location is going to be the carport.
>

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Re: Want to compare voltages--anyone with a voltmeter and a 2004+

Posted by: "Richard Brunner" brunneraa1p@comcast.net   berlindresdenmichelstadt

Mon Apr 12, 2010 6:56 am (PDT)



Measuring resistance in low Ohms can be difficult. Check your meter
with the probes shorted and see what you get. It may not be zero, in
which case the tare reading should be subtracted from the measurements.
Not all meters automatically zero, and you are probably measuring the
test lead resistance. If all the voltage measurements are ok I would
not change anything. I would expect battery voltage to decrease a wee
bit with increasing load, but it depends on the regulating circuit.
Also this is not rocket science, and most any old multimeter is
acceptable.

Richard

> On another note, I tested the resistance across the yellow wires on
> the alternator coil and on the rectifier and it measured .7 for both.
> The factory service manual states it should be between .1 and .5 as a
> normal range of resistance. In your opinion, would you replace
> electrical components if the resistance was .2 higher?
>

>

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Re: Want to compare voltages--anyone with a voltmeter and a 2004+

Posted by: "Joe Pal" pal996@lycos.com   donedeal999

Mon Apr 12, 2010 7:10 am (PDT)



While I do not have a 2004 (and I did not test my 2003) your numbers sound
like you have a properly functioning charging system. If your battery is
ding I would guess that you have a short, possibly in the battery itself.
I would try disconnecting the battery and charge it until the voltage stops
increasing. Let it set for a couple of days. If the voltage holds up the
problem is not your battery.

Do you know how to test for a short? If not reply back and I will outline a
simple procedure.

BTW, are you sure that the under-seat light is turning off?



From: hondareflexowners@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:hondareflexowners@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of mattmanderachi
Sent: Sunday, April 11, 2010 5:52 PM
To: hondareflexowners@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Honda Reflex Group Want to compare voltages--anyone with a
voltmeter and a 2004+


I'm trying to troubleshoot a dead battery/electrical issue and I would like
to compare my observed voltages with other people. All tests should be from
a 2004+ reflex since mine is a 2004. I'm trying to figure out if my charging
system is working the way it should. Thanks in advance for the help.

With the scooter off, what voltage do you read for the battery? Mine is at
12.84 volts.
What voltage do you measure at the battery at idle? Mine is 14.38-14.44
volts.
How about idle with the high beam on? Mine is 14.27-13.75 volts.
And what are your numbers for these tests performed at 5000rpms? Mine is
about 14.4 volts across the board.
Also, if you have accessories, what does your voltage read while running
that at idle with the high beam on? With my heated grips on high, my voltage
drops to 13.27-12.9 volts.

Thanks for the help!

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Re: Want to compare voltages--anyone with a voltmeter and a 2004+

Posted by: "mattmanderachi" mattmanderachi@yahoo.com   mattmanderachi

Mon Apr 12, 2010 7:19 am (PDT)



The dead battery loses it's charge shortly after being removed from the charger. I'm certain it is dead.

As for the underseat light, I'm pretty sure it's going off. When I depress the button/switch with the seat up, it only takes light pressure to turn it off. And I make sure both seat latches catch before I ride. Do these have a habit of staying on with the seat completely closed?

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Re: Want to compare voltages--anyone with a voltmeter and a 2004+

Posted by: "Cathy Hamma" cathy@clktech.com   cathy.hamma@att.net

Mon Apr 12, 2010 7:30 am (PDT)



You may want to consider reducing the draw from the seat light by investing
in a LED bulb. Check out
http://www.superbrightleds.com/cgi-bin/store/index.cgi?action=DispPage
<http://www.superbrightleds.com/cgi-bin/store/index.cgi?action=DispPage&Page
2Disp=%2Ffestoon.html> &Page2Disp=%2Ffestoon.html for a 3022-x4 LED Festoon
bulb.

Cathy (who has several LED replacement bulbs on her scooter) Hamma

2007 Honda Reflex, NW Chicago Suburbs, Illinois

From: hondareflexowners@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:hondareflexowners@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of mattmanderachi
Sent: Monday, April 12, 2010 9:17 AM
To: hondareflexowners@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: Honda Reflex Group Want to compare voltages--anyone with a
voltmeter and a 2004+

The dead battery loses it's charge shortly after being removed from the
charger. I'm certain it is dead.

As for the underseat light, I'm pretty sure it's going off. When I depress
the button/switch with the seat up, it only takes light pressure to turn it
off. And I make sure both seat latches catch before I ride. Do these have a
habit of staying on with the seat completely closed?

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Re: Want to compare voltages--anyone with a voltmeter and a 2004+

Posted by: "brian_cirulnick" techrat@obsolyte.com   brian_cirulnick

Mon Apr 12, 2010 9:35 am (PDT)



Your charging system is OK.

#1) At all times your charging system was producing in excess of 12v, enough to at least trickle charge the battery.

#2) At speed you were making in excess of 14v, more than enough to charge the battery.

--- In hondareflexowners@yahoogroups.com, "mattmanderachi" <mattmanderachi@...> wrote:
>
> I'm trying to troubleshoot a dead battery/electrical issue and I would like to compare my observed voltages with other people. All tests should be from a 2004+ reflex since mine is a 2004. I'm trying to figure out if my charging system is working the way it should. Thanks in advance for the help.
>
> With the scooter off, what voltage do you read for the battery? Mine is at 12.84 volts.
> What voltage do you measure at the battery at idle? Mine is 14.38-14.44 volts.
> How about idle with the high beam on? Mine is 14.27-13.75 volts.
> And what are your numbers for these tests performed at 5000rpms? Mine is about 14.4 volts across the board.
> Also, if you have accessories, what does your voltage read while running that at idle with the high beam on? With my heated grips on high, my voltage drops to 13.27-12.9 volts.
>
> Thanks for the help!
>

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Re: Want to compare voltages--anyone with a voltmeter and a 2004+

Posted by: "Joe Pal" pal996@lycos.com   donedeal999

Mon Apr 12, 2010 9:40 am (PDT)



Sounds like an internal battery short.

From: hondareflexowners@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:hondareflexowners@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of mattmanderachi
Sent: Monday, April 12, 2010 7:17 AM
To: hondareflexowners@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: Honda Reflex Group Want to compare voltages--anyone with a
voltmeter and a 2004+


The dead battery loses it's charge shortly after being removed from the
charger. I'm certain it is dead.

As for the underseat light, I'm pretty sure it's going off. When I depress
the button/switch with the seat up, it only takes light pressure to turn it
off. And I make sure both seat latches catch before I ride. Do these have a
habit of staying on with the seat completely closed?

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2g.

Re: Want to compare voltages--anyone with a voltmeter and a 2004+

Posted by: "BruceK" bruce@aplusservices.com   bruceakoehler

Mon Apr 12, 2010 9:45 am (PDT)





--- In hondareflexowners@yahoogroups.com, "mattmanderachi" <mattmanderachi@...> wrote:
>
> Thanks for all the feedback so fast!
<SNIP>

> On another note, I tested the resistance across the yellow wires on the alternator coil and on the rectifier and it measured .7 for both. The factory service manual states it should be between .1 and .5 as a normal range of resistance. In your opinion, would you replace electrical components if the resistance was .2 higher?
>
> Thanks again!
>

Close enough - and in fact, the alternator changed in 2004 - but the manual I have does not indicate different readings in respect to that change. So your readings are probably normal, but certainly not justification for changing any parts.

Bruce

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2h.

Re: Want to compare voltages--anyone with a voltmeter and a 2004+

Posted by: "j wood" cw68jw@yahoo.com   cw68jw

Mon Apr 12, 2010 9:48 am (PDT)



I heard from a few south dade sr...students and they walked out and went home...waiting to hear how many teachers were out and how many students left.

________________________________
From: BruceK <bruce@aplusservices.com>
To: hondareflexowners@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Mon, April 12, 2010 12:44:15 PM
Subject: Honda Reflex Group Re: Want to compare voltages--anyone with a voltmeter and a 2004+

 

--- In hondareflexowners@ yahoogroups. com, "mattmanderachi" <mattmanderachi@ ...> wrote:
>
> Thanks for all the feedback so fast!
<SNIP>

> On another note, I tested the resistance across the yellow wires on the alternator coil and on the rectifier and it measured .7 for both. The factory service manual states it should be between .1 and .5 as a normal range of resistance. In your opinion, would you replace electrical components if the resistance was .2 higher?
>
> Thanks again!
>

Close enough - and in fact, the alternator changed in 2004 - but the manual I have does not indicate different readings in respect to that change. So your readings are probably normal, but certainly not justification for changing any parts.

Bruce

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2i.

Re: Want to compare voltages--anyone with a voltmeter and a 2004+

Posted by: "brian_cirulnick" techrat@obsolyte.com   brian_cirulnick

Mon Apr 12, 2010 9:53 am (PDT)





--- In hondareflexowners@yahoogroups.com, "Cathy Hamma" <cathy@...> wrote:
>
> You may want to consider reducing the draw from the seat light by investing
> in a LED bulb.
-------------------

Hi Cathy -- I bought one of the Hi Power festoon bulbs -- it's got what looks like two 1-watt Surface Mount LEDs on a little card between the two connectors...

Wanting something that closely matched the original, I went with "Warm White" as the color temp, and I have to say it's considerably brighter than the old incandescent bulb -- and uses less power!

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Re: Want to compare voltages--anyone with a voltmeter and a 2004+

Posted by: "j wood" cw68jw@yahoo.com   cw68jw

Mon Apr 12, 2010 9:58 am (PDT)



sorry guys .... wrong group...talking about Miami Dade teacher bill

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From: j wood <cw68jw@yahoo.com>
To: hondareflexowners@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Mon, April 12, 2010 12:47:55 PM
Subject: Re: Honda Reflex Group Re: Want to compare voltages--anyone with a voltmeter and a 2004+

 
I heard from a few south dade sr...students and they walked out and went home...waiting to hear how many teachers were out and how many students left.

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From: BruceK <bruce@aplusservices .com>
To: hondareflexowners@ yahoogroups. com
Sent: Mon, April 12, 2010 12:44:15 PM
Subject: Honda Reflex Group Re: Want to compare voltages--anyone with a voltmeter and a 2004+

 

--- In hondareflexowners@ yahoogroups. com, "mattmanderachi" <mattmanderachi@ ...> wrote:
>
> Thanks for all the feedback so fast!
<SNIP>

> On another note, I tested the resistance across the yellow wires on the alternator coil and on the rectifier and it measured .7 for both. The factory service manual states it should be between .1 and .5 as a normal range of resistance. In your opinion, would you replace electrical components if the resistance was .2 higher?
>
> Thanks again!
>

Close enough - and in fact, the alternator changed in 2004 - but the manual I have does not indicate different readings in respect to that change. So your readings are probably normal, but certainly not justification for changing any parts.

Bruce

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3a.

Re: Tupperware replacement - screws and clips

Posted by: "Joe Pal" pal996@lycos.com   donedeal999

Mon Apr 12, 2010 7:10 am (PDT)



My favorite find-everything hardware supplier is McMaster-Carr
(http://www.mcmaster.com).


From: hondareflexowners@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:hondareflexowners@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Philip Cassel
Sent: Sunday, April 11, 2010 6:04 PM
To: hondareflexowners@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Honda Reflex Group Tupperware replacement - screws and clips


Look in YP (phone) or web local for fastener wholesale suppliers; locally in
Sunnyvale, CA there is Oleander, who seem to have every imaginable fastener
in bulk form. They have a $10 minimum, but that's easily met- metric, SAE or
even (Whitworth mebbe, I haven't tried).
Staff is very capable and prompt, tho they usually service the local hi-tech
firms, they do mail-order, too.
BTW, I had some success replacing those fragile plastic trim tabs with metal
equivalents- the trick is to find the right dimensioned bracket that can be
epoxied or screwed in place with countersunk screws or rivets that are
bondo'ed over and finished to original surface. Large broken-out sections
can be replaced with portions of cut-up plastic bucket (the white commercial
sort made for paints and chemicals). Cut and sand to shape then use
fiberglass tape and epoxy on the inside to secure in place. Finish with
wet-or-dry emery paper and rattlecan. I have done so with the left side of
cowl, after two years, it's still goood- no splits or cracks.
A tougher deal is whittling replacements for the slotted matching parts, but
it can be done with a coping saw and wood rasp.The tab parts may need
replacement with custom-made metal stock with a broad perforated base for
epoxy fastening.
Hope this helps. Lewis Crewe, AKA Phil C.

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4a.

volt-meter

Posted by: "MICHAEL SCHUTTE" mjs57@wavecable.com   schutteonduty@sbcglobal.net

Mon Apr 12, 2010 4:18 pm (PDT)



Harbor Freight has didgital volt meters for $5.00.
Hope this helps.

Mike
Rocklin, Ca

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Re: volt-meter

Posted by: "BruceK" bruce@aplusservices.com   bruceakoehler

Mon Apr 12, 2010 4:28 pm (PDT)





--- In hondareflexowners@yahoogroups.com, "MICHAEL SCHUTTE" <mjs57@...> wrote:
>
> Harbor Freight has didgital volt meters for $5.00.
> Hope this helps.
>
> Mike
> Rocklin, Ca
>

Thanks - and it WILL suffice. I have one.

But this is one I use and recommend - from Sears - very rugged - high quality Craftsman.
Auto-ranging, auto-shutoff (no dead batteries), current, frequency, capacitance, resistance, TEMPERATURE... built-in stand and rubber "shell". Probes included. About $30. A great value.

http://tinyurl.com/ybf6p5g

Bruce
Bruce

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Re: {Disarmed} Honda Reflex Group volt-meter

Posted by: "George Giftos" gcgiftos@utmi.net   gcgiftos

Tue Apr 13, 2010 4:35 am (PDT)



I have several of them and consider them junk. A few never worked out of the box.

George

On Apr 12, 2010, at 7:16 PM, MICHAEL SCHUTTE wrote:

> Harbor Freight has didgital volt meters for $5.00.
> Hope this helps.
>
> Mike
> Rocklin, Ca
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Re: volt-meter

Posted by: "George Giftos" gcgiftos@utmi.net   gcgiftos

Tue Apr 13, 2010 4:37 am (PDT)



BTW, a nice feature to have is the "auto-off" feature. If the meter requires you to manually turn it off, the battery will be dead each time you go to use it. I can never remember to turn that switch off!

George

On Apr 12, 2010, at 7:28 PM, BruceK wrote:

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>
> --- In hondareflexowners@yahoogroups.com, "MICHAEL SCHUTTE" <mjs57@...> wrote:
> >
> > Harbor Freight has didgital volt meters for $5.00.
> > Hope this helps.
> >
> > Mike
> > Rocklin, Ca
> >
>
> Thanks - and it WILL suffice. I have one.
>
> But this is one I use and recommend - from Sears - very rugged - high quality Craftsman.
> Auto-ranging, auto-shutoff (no dead batteries), current, frequency, capacitance, resistance, TEMPERATURE... built-in stand and rubber "shell". Probes included. About $30. A great value.
>
> http://tinyurl.com/ybf6p5g
>
> Bruce
> Bruce
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Re: {Disarmed} Honda Reflex Group volt-meter

Posted by: "wingit3611@aol.com" wingit3611@aol.com   wingit3611

Tue Apr 13, 2010 5:53 am (PDT)



George, I also have several of the meter I got at $3 sales & they all work perfect. Wished I could think of the expensive one I used at work when digitals first came out. It only last about a year. The good old analog never has to be turned off. It still works fine. 44 years & counting,that's my backup. Rick in KY

I have several of them and consider them junk. A few never worked out of the
ox.
George
On Apr 12, 2010, at 7:16 PM, MICHAEL SCHUTTE wrote:
> Harbor Freight has didgital volt meters for $5.00.
Hope this helps.

Mike
Rocklin, Ca

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From: George Giftos <gcgiftos@utmi.net>
To: hondareflexowners@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tue, Apr 13, 2010 7:13 am
Subject: Re: {Disarmed} Honda Reflex Group volt-meter

I have several of them and consider them junk. A few never worked out of the
ox.
George
On Apr 12, 2010, at 7:16 PM, MICHAEL SCHUTTE wrote:
> Harbor Freight has didgital volt meters for $5.00.
Hope this helps.

Mike
Rocklin, Ca


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