Thursday, January 21, 2010

Honda Reflex Group Digest Number 4718

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1a.

Re: Useful life of Honda Reflex?--Mike B's tire configuration

Posted by: "irvus" irvuss@gmail.com   irvus

Wed Jan 20, 2010 10:17 am (PST)



Mike (and omnipresent Kohlerizer and Lurkers):
I read the Car_Tire_on_Reflex file under the Files section and found only two folks (including you)who use the car tire and Bruce's opposition stating basically that the engineers of the Reflex intended for moped tires and that if car tires were better, they would be used (because they cost less) and that the designer's wisdom should not be questioned (unless of course you are talking about the K-Mod ;> ). There are and have been countless engineering type posts on this awesome site that have critically analyzed other matters. It would be useful to really understand any opposition to using the car tire and determine whether it might actually be more stable and result in longer tire life, etc. Help us understand the pluses and minuses of the Car Tire Controversy!
Thanks for the heads upon on the photos.
irv
--- In hondareflexowners@yahoogroups.com, "Michael" <mbr987@...> wrote:
>
> --- In hondareflexowners@yahoogroups.com, "irvus" <irvuss@> wrote:
> >
> > Mike B:
> > What size car tire are you using for the rear and o you have any
> > photos of this set up? What are the benefits/downsides to this
> > config? It sounds like a good idea. The 16'' tires on a lot of
> > 250 scooters were a pull to me before i up and bought The
> > Yellowest.
> > Thanky
> > irv
> >
>
> :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::
> Currently I am using a Hercules G2000T 155/80R12 on the rear of the
> Reflex, though it previously had a Federal Super Steel 729 145/70R12
> mounted. I ran the 145/70 for about 11,000 miles before mounting the
> 155/80. The 145/70R12 was mounted to the scoot without modifications.
> The 155/80R12 required grinding out just a little bit on the swingarm
> so that it would fit because the tire was just a teeny bit too wide
> at the sidewall. There is another rider here (freedomfyter) that is
> using a Goodyear Winter President Radial HT snow tire sized 145/80R12
> successfully without any modifications to the swingarm. If you are
> interested, last I knew, he had some of those tires for sale. Search
> the archives here for car tire on reflex or other references to car
> tires. It still seems to be a subject of debate(sometimes intense),
> but you read and decide if this is something you would want to do. I
> have some pics in the photos section in an album named Car tires and
> swingarm mods.(second page of the albums) Mostly has pics of the
> 145/70R12. I don't have many pictures of the 155/80, but there is at
> least 1 there. I am very, very happy with the tire configuration as
> it is. No problems, and I am especially pleased with the improvement
> to my fuel economy.
> Actually, the 2004 Reflex has recently been sold to my brother with
> the car tire setup. But I have A red 2007 Reflex with the exact same
> tires on it too.
>
>
> Mike B.
>
> (Rochester Hills Michigan Double Dark Side Rider)
> (2007 Honda NSS250S Reflex Sport "Scarlet")
> (2006 Honda FSC600A Silverwing "Jester")
> ( Both with a car tire on the rear )
> (and scooter rear tire on the front)
>
> (2004 Honda NSS250S Reflex Sport "After Midnight") recently sold to
> my brother
>
> (1987 Honda CN250 Helix not named) sold years ago
>
>
> **** While knowledge has power, It is what you do with what you
> know that is important.
> It gives the knowledge validity and demonstrates its worth.
> Use it wisely. **** (I wish I knew more)
>

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2a.

Re: Luggage for 2001 Reflex

Posted by: "piccolagita" piccolagita@yahoo.com   piccolagita

Wed Jan 20, 2010 11:13 am (PST)





I hung leather saddlebags over the bars. My DH drilled a little hole in the bottom of the rear panel and wired the bags down to keep them from blowing in the wind. I have used them on several trips and they have worked well.

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For Sale: 2001 Reflex -- $1800

Posted by: "Dave Zurn (jr)" zurn@gatech.edu   the_irondave

Wed Jan 20, 2010 12:21 pm (PST)



In Atlanta: http://atlanta.craigslist.org/atl/mcy/1561855350.html

$1800 for you guys, or best offer. Would like to sell by this weekend (upgrading to Burgman). Will not ship... Call 7708155109 if interested.

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Posted by: "jim borton" gondola1545@yahoo.com   gondola1545

Wed Jan 20, 2010 12:21 pm (PST)



I'm looking at upgrading my Honda Reflex....  Right now I have a 257cc Yamaha engine and cvt...
Would like to upgrade the cdi...  muffler...  oil cooler and chromed cvt cover....

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5a.

A show of hands please. Who uses a car tire on their Reflex?

Posted by: "Michael" mbr987@comcast.net   bandito_two

Wed Jan 20, 2010 3:26 pm (PST)



Re: Useful life of Honda Reflex?--Mike B's tire configuration
> --- In hondareflexowners@yahoogroups.com, "irvus" <irvuss@> wrote:
> >
> Mike (and omnipresent Kohlerizer and Lurkers):
> I read the Car_Tire_on_Reflex file under the Files section and
> found only two folks (including you)who use the car tire
> S N I P <
> Help us understand the
> pluses and minuses of the Car Tire Controversy!
> Thanks for the heads upon on the photos.
>
> irv
:::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::

OK, read post #54314 for more on the pluses and minuses of car tire use. I do need to make a correction on an item near the top of that
long post though. It pertains to the rubber compound of tires. The
rubber for car tires is softer than motorcycle tires and not the
other way around. Please do read the posting in it's entirety.

I once had a short list of known car tire users, but can't remember
where I put it. I do seem to recall though, that at the time, including myself, there were about 6 or so using a car tire on their
Reflex.

Now, without invoking a poll, how about a show of hands.......
I certainly am curious as to the number of car tire users.
Please no opposition replies, this is for those that actually
use a car tire on their Reflex.

WHO USES A CAR TIRE ON THEIR REFLEX?

If you would please, also include:

1) Tire specifications: size _ type _ speed, load and mileage ratings.
2) Tire name and manufacturer.
3) When was it installed?, current miles of use.
4) Where you live/ride and your riding style.
5) Comments: Likes and/or dislikes, would you do it again?, comments
on handling, wear etc. or any other comment on your car tire experience.

That should about cover it. THANX

Mike B.

(Rochester Hills Michigan Double Dark Side Rider)
(2007 Honda NSS250S Reflex Sport "Scarlet")
(2006 Honda FSC600A Silverwing "Jester")
( Both with a car tire on the rear )
(and scooter rear tire on the front)

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5b.

Re: A show of hands please. Who uses a car tire on their Reflex?

Posted by: "Michael" mbr987@comcast.net   bandito_two

Wed Jan 20, 2010 4:20 pm (PST)



--- In hondareflexowners@yahoogroups.com, "Michael" <mbr987@...> wrote:

> OK, read post #54314 for more on the pluses and minuses of car tire
> use. I do need to make a correction on an item near the top of that
> long post though. It pertains to the rubber compound of tires. The
> rubber for car tires is softer than motorcycle tires and not the
> other way around. Please do read the posting in it's entirety.
>
> I once had a short list of known car tire users, but can't remember
> where I put it. I do seem to recall though, that at the time,
> including myself, there were about 6 or so using a car tire on
> their Reflex.
>
> Now, without invoking a poll, how about a show of hands.......
> I certainly am curious as to the number of car tire users.
> Please no opposition replies, this is for those that actually
> use a car tire on their Reflex.
>
> WHO USES A CAR TIRE ON THEIR REFLEX?
>
> If you would please, also include:
>
> 1) Tire specifications: size _ type _ speed, load and mileage
> ratings.

___145/70R12 _ all season passenger 69S(load and speed rating)
40,000 mile endurance rating(IIRC) Also:
___155/80R12 _ all season passenger 77T(load and speed rating)
45,000 mile endurance rating(IIRC)

> 2) Tire name and manufacturer.

___ Federal Super Steel 729 (145/70R12)
___ Hercules G2000T (155/80R12)

> 3) When was it installed?, current miles of use.

July 2008__11,000 miles (145/70R12)
June 2009__ 4000 miles (155/80)

> 4) Where you live/ride and your riding style.

___ Southeast Michigan - Commuting mostly, 80 mile round trips at 45/55 mph during spring,summer,fall riding season. Occassional
touring (100+ miles), occassional expressway use.

> 5) Comments: Likes and/or dislikes, would you do it again?,
> comments on handling, wear etc. or any other comment on your car
> tire experience.

___Since I believe I was the first here to use a car tire, I'll be first to reply.
I really like having gone to the "Darkside" and using car tires on my scoots. It handles differently than the standard Hoops, but it was
easy to adjust to and feels/handles like normal now. I'll never go back to standard issue treads again. Easier to get up onto the
centerstand may seem like a small issue, but for smaller lighter
riders this is a definite plus. Fuel economy is better than with standard tires, in fact it is why I changed from the 145/70 to the taller 155/80. No problems, no complaints.

Mike B.

(Rochester Hills Michigan Double Dark Side Rider)
(2007 Honda NSS250S Reflex Sport "Scarlet")
(2006 Honda FSC600A Silverwing "Jester")
( Both with a car tire on the rear )
(and scooter rear tire on the front)

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5c.

Re: A show of hands please. Who uses a car tire on their Reflex?

Posted by: "jim borton" gondola1545@yahoo.com   gondola1545

Wed Jan 20, 2010 4:24 pm (PST)



Why would you want to use a car tire inplace of a motorcycle tire....
Hard to steer...
Poor gas miles...
Heavier...
List can go on...

 

________________________________
From: Michael <mbr987@comcast.net>
To: hondareflexowners@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wed, January 20, 2010 4:18:25 PM
Subject: Honda Reflex Group Re: A show of hands please. Who uses a car tire on their Reflex?

 
--- In hondareflexowners@ yahoogroups. com, "Michael" <mbr987@...> wrote:

> OK, read post #54314 for more on the pluses and minuses of car tire
> use. I do need to make a correction on an item near the top of that
> long post though. It pertains to the rubber compound of tires. The
> rubber for car tires is softer than motorcycle tires and not the
> other way around. Please do read the posting in it's entirety.
>
> I once had a short list of known car tire users, but can't remember
> where I put it. I do seem to recall though, that at the time,
> including myself, there were about 6 or so using a car tire on
> their Reflex.
>
> Now, without invoking a poll, how about a show of hands.......
> I certainly am curious as to the number of car tire users.
> Please no opposition replies, this is for those that actually
> use a car tire on their Reflex.
>
> WHO USES A CAR TIRE ON THEIR REFLEX?
>
> If you would please, also include:
>
> 1) Tire specifications: size _ type _ speed, load and mileage
> ratings.

___145/70R12 _ all season passenger 69S(load and speed rating)
40,000 mile endurance rating(IIRC) Also:
___155/80R12 _ all season passenger 77T(load and speed rating)
45,000 mile endurance rating(IIRC)

> 2) Tire name and manufacturer.

___ Federal Super Steel 729 (145/70R12)
___ Hercules G2000T (155/80R12)

> 3) When was it installed?, current miles of use.

July 2008__11,000 miles (145/70R12)
June 2009__ 4000 miles (155/80)

> 4) Where you live/ride and your riding style.

___ Southeast Michigan - Commuting mostly, 80 mile round trips at 45/55 mph during spring,summer, fall riding season. Occassional
touring (100+ miles), occassional expressway use.

> 5) Comments: Likes and/or dislikes, would you do it again?,
> comments on handling, wear etc. or any other comment on your car
> tire experience.

___Since I believe I was the first here to use a car tire, I'll be first to reply.
I really like having gone to the "Darkside" and using car tires on my scoots. It handles differently than the standard Hoops, but it was
easy to adjust to and feels/handles like normal now. I'll never go back to standard issue treads again. Easier to get up onto the
centerstand may seem like a small issue, but for smaller lighter
riders this is a definite plus. Fuel economy is better than with standard tires, in fact it is why I changed from the 145/70 to the taller 155/80. No problems, no complaints.

Mike B.

(Rochester Hills Michigan Double Dark Side Rider)
(2007 Honda NSS250S Reflex Sport "Scarlet")
(2006 Honda FSC600A Silverwing "Jester")
( Both with a car tire on the rear )
(and scooter rear tire on the front)

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5d.

Re: A show of hands please. Who uses a car tire on their Reflex?

Posted by: "tonymarchman@att.net" tonymarchman@att.net   tonymarchman@att.net

Wed Jan 20, 2010 4:34 pm (PST)




Tony in Tenn, also a double darksider, After 36k miles I installed a car tire. I run a kenda 155 on the rear with 5k miles so far, made one trip riding double from Nashville to Atlanta and got better gas mileage and faster cruising speed. This is a result of the larger diameter rear tire. Took the interstate down and the back roads thru northern Alabama on the way home. I really enjoyed doing some sweepers which I took at full throttle, which was 70 mph. The last sweeper looked a little tighter and I approached it under full throttle until I felt the little woman getting nervous and backed off a bit. IMHO the car tire holds the road as good as any scoot tire. Added a scoot rear tire to the front recently but no real experience with this combo to date. I haven't had it out much this year. My majesty is set up for winter riding and so it is the preferred ride at this time.
Tony

--- In hondareflexowners@yahoogroups.com, "Michael" <mbr987@...> wrote:
>
> Re: Useful life of Honda Reflex?--Mike B's tire configuration
> > --- In hondareflexowners@yahoogroups.com, "irvus" <irvuss@> wrote:
> > >
> > Mike (and omnipresent Kohlerizer and Lurkers):
> > I read the Car_Tire_on_Reflex file under the Files section and
> > found only two folks (including you)who use the car tire
> > S N I P <
> > Help us understand the
> > pluses and minuses of the Car Tire Controversy!
> > Thanks for the heads upon on the photos.
> >
> > irv
> :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::
>
> OK, read post #54314 for more on the pluses and minuses of car tire use. I do need to make a correction on an item near the top of that
> long post though. It pertains to the rubber compound of tires. The
> rubber for car tires is softer than motorcycle tires and not the
> other way around. Please do read the posting in it's entirety.
>
> I once had a short list of known car tire users, but can't remember
> where I put it. I do seem to recall though, that at the time, including myself, there were about 6 or so using a car tire on their
> Reflex.
>
> Now, without invoking a poll, how about a show of hands.......
> I certainly am curious as to the number of car tire users.
> Please no opposition replies, this is for those that actually
> use a car tire on their Reflex.
>
> WHO USES A CAR TIRE ON THEIR REFLEX?
>
> If you would please, also include:
>
> 1) Tire specifications: size _ type _ speed, load and mileage ratings.
> 2) Tire name and manufacturer.
> 3) When was it installed?, current miles of use.
> 4) Where you live/ride and your riding style.
> 5) Comments: Likes and/or dislikes, would you do it again?, comments
> on handling, wear etc. or any other comment on your car tire experience.
>
> That should about cover it. THANX
>
> Mike B.
>
> (Rochester Hills Michigan Double Dark Side Rider)
> (2007 Honda NSS250S Reflex Sport "Scarlet")
> (2006 Honda FSC600A Silverwing "Jester")
> ( Both with a car tire on the rear )
> (and scooter rear tire on the front)
>

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5e.

Re: A show of hands please. Who uses a car tire on their Reflex?

Posted by: "Michael" mbr987@comcast.net   bandito_two

Wed Jan 20, 2010 4:49 pm (PST)



--- In hondareflexowners@yahoogroups.com, jim borton <gondola1545@...> wrote:
>
> Why would you want to use a car tire inplace of a motorcycle tire....
Several valid reasons actually, but I've
got a better question for you; Why not?

> Hard to steer...
Only if you try to do it using only your pinky finger.

> Poor gas miles...
Not for me.... better mileage actually. But it might be worse
for you. Water is NOT a good fuel extender and just letting it
idle for hours on end while you stare at the bike doesn't help
either.

> Heavier...
Um... depends on how many cheese burgers you eat first I think.

> List can go on...
And so unneccessarily so......

Mike B.

(Rochester Hills Michigan Double Dark Side Rider)
(2007 Honda NSS250S Reflex Sport "Scarlet")
(2006 Honda FSC600A Silverwing "Jester")
( Both with a car tire on the rear )
(and scooter rear tire on the front)

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5f.

Re: A show of hands please. Who uses a car tire on their Reflex?

Posted by: "Nelson Boll" petropete54@yahoo.com   petropete54

Wed Jan 20, 2010 4:53 pm (PST)



I put a 145/70R12 car tire on my Reflex July 09. I did not have to make any modifications to fit it on. Approx 5k miles so far and feel safe! Nelson in SE PA

--- On Wed, 1/20/10, tonymarchman@att.net <tonymarchman@att.net> wrote:

From: tonymarchman@att.net <tonymarchman@att.net>
Subject: Honda Reflex Group Re: A show of hands please. Who uses a car tire on their Reflex?
To: hondareflexowners@yahoogroups.com
Date: Wednesday, January 20, 2010, 7:30 PM

 

Tony in Tenn, also a double darksider, After 36k miles I installed a car tire. I run a kenda 155 on the rear with 5k miles so far, made one trip riding double from Nashville to Atlanta and got better gas mileage and faster cruising speed. This is a result of the larger diameter rear tire. Took the interstate down and the back roads thru northern Alabama on the way home. I really enjoyed doing some sweepers which I took at full throttle, which was 70 mph. The last sweeper looked a little tighter and I approached it under full throttle until I felt the little woman getting nervous and backed off a bit. IMHO the car tire holds the road as good as any scoot tire. Added a scoot rear tire to the front recently but no real experience with this combo to date. I haven't had it out much this year. My majesty is set up for winter riding and so it is the preferred ride at this time.
Tony

--- In hondareflexowners@ yahoogroups. com, "Michael" <mbr987@...> wrote:
>
> Re: Useful life of Honda Reflex?--Mike B's tire configuration
> > --- In hondareflexowners@ yahoogroups. com, "irvus" <irvuss@> wrote:
> > >
> > Mike (and omnipresent Kohlerizer and Lurkers):
> > I read the Car_Tire_on_ Reflex file under the Files section and
> > found only two folks (including you)who use the car tire
> > S N I P <
> > Help us understand the
> > pluses and minuses of the Car Tire Controversy!
> > Thanks for the heads upon on the photos.
> >
> > irv
> :::::::::::: ::::::::: ::::::::: ::::::::: ::::::::: ::::::::: ::::::::: :::
>
> OK, read post #54314 for more on the pluses and minuses of car tire use. I do need to make a correction on an item near the top of that
> long post though. It pertains to the rubber compound of tires. The
> rubber for car tires is softer than motorcycle tires and not the
> other way around. Please do read the posting in it's entirety.
>
> I once had a short list of known car tire users, but can't remember
> where I put it. I do seem to recall though, that at the time, including myself, there were about 6 or so using a car tire on their
> Reflex.
>
> Now, without invoking a poll, how about a show of hands.......
> I certainly am curious as to the number of car tire users.
> Please no opposition replies, this is for those that actually
> use a car tire on their Reflex.
>
> WHO USES A CAR TIRE ON THEIR REFLEX?
>
> If you would please, also include:
>
> 1) Tire specifications: size _ type _ speed, load and mileage ratings.
> 2) Tire name and manufacturer.
> 3) When was it installed?, current miles of use.
> 4) Where you live/ride and your riding style.
> 5) Comments: Likes and/or dislikes, would you do it again?, comments
> on handling, wear etc. or any other comment on your car tire experience.
>
> That should about cover it. THANX
>
> Mike B.
>
> (Rochester Hills Michigan Double Dark Side Rider)
> (2007 Honda NSS250S Reflex Sport "Scarlet")
> (2006 Honda FSC600A Silverwing "Jester")
> ( Both with a car tire on the rear )
> (and scooter rear tire on the front)
>

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5g.

Re: A show of hands please. Who uses a car tire on their Reflex?

Posted by: "jim borton" gondola1545@yahoo.com   gondola1545

Wed Jan 20, 2010 4:54 pm (PST)



I'm a DOT engineer....
How many pinkies do you need to move a car tire vs a motorcycle....
More weight and more surface area on the pavement....
It doesn't make sence to put on a car tire...  Harder on the bearings also...
A larger(taller) tire makes sence but a 13" tire on the Reflex is pretty good....

________________________________
From: Michael <mbr987@comcast.net>
To: hondareflexowners@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wed, January 20, 2010 4:44:20 PM
Subject: Honda Reflex Group Re: A show of hands please. Who uses a car tire on their Reflex?

 
--- In hondareflexowners@ yahoogroups. com, jim borton <gondola1545@ ...> wrote:
>
> Why would you want to use a car tire inplace of a motorcycle tire....
Several valid reasons actually, but I've
got a better question for you; Why not?

> Hard to steer...
Only if you try to do it using only your pinky finger.

> Poor gas miles...
Not for me.... better mileage actually. But it might be worse
for you. Water is NOT a good fuel extender and just letting it
idle for hours on end while you stare at the bike doesn't help
either.

> Heavier...
Um... depends on how many cheese burgers you eat first I think.

> List can go on...
And so unneccessarily so......

Mike B.

(Rochester Hills Michigan Double Dark Side Rider)
(2007 Honda NSS250S Reflex Sport "Scarlet")
(2006 Honda FSC600A Silverwing "Jester")
( Both with a car tire on the rear )
(and scooter rear tire on the front)

[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

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5h.

Re: A show of hands please. Who uses a car tire on their Reflex?

Posted by: "BruceK" bruce@aplusservices.com   bruceakoehler

Wed Jan 20, 2010 6:42 pm (PST)



I suggest that you create a new - carefully thought-out - poll that asks the things you want to know. If you need help, I will do so.

It is a better - and less cluttering approach - than asking for "a show of hands..."

Or put together a better FILE to go in the FILES section - that covers the topic exhaustively - WITH APPROPRIATE DISCLAIMERS.

Thanks

Bruce Koehler

--- In hondareflexowners@yahoogroups.com, "Michael" <mbr987@...> wrote:
>
> Re: Useful life of Honda Reflex?--Mike B's tire configuration
> > --- In hondareflexowners@yahoogroups.com, "irvus" <irvuss@> wrote:
> > >
> > Mike (and omnipresent Kohlerizer and Lurkers):
> > I read the Car_Tire_on_Reflex file under the Files section and
> > found only two folks (including you)who use the car tire
> > S N I P <
> > Help us understand the
> > pluses and minuses of the Car Tire Controversy!
> > Thanks for the heads upon on the photos.
> >
> > irv
> :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::
>
> OK, read post #54314 for more on the pluses and minuses of car tire use. I do need to make a correction on an item near the top of that
> long post though. It pertains to the rubber compound of tires. The
> rubber for car tires is softer than motorcycle tires and not the
> other way around. Please do read the posting in it's entirety.
>
> I once had a short list of known car tire users, but can't remember
> where I put it. I do seem to recall though, that at the time, including myself, there were about 6 or so using a car tire on their
> Reflex.
>
> Now, without invoking a poll, how about a show of hands.......
> I certainly am curious as to the number of car tire users.
> Please no opposition replies, this is for those that actually
> use a car tire on their Reflex.
>
> WHO USES A CAR TIRE ON THEIR REFLEX?
>
> If you would please, also include:
>
> 1) Tire specifications: size _ type _ speed, load and mileage ratings.
> 2) Tire name and manufacturer.
> 3) When was it installed?, current miles of use.
> 4) Where you live/ride and your riding style.
> 5) Comments: Likes and/or dislikes, would you do it again?, comments
> on handling, wear etc. or any other comment on your car tire experience.
>
> That should about cover it. THANX
>
> Mike B.
>
> (Rochester Hills Michigan Double Dark Side Rider)
> (2007 Honda NSS250S Reflex Sport "Scarlet")
> (2006 Honda FSC600A Silverwing "Jester")
> ( Both with a car tire on the rear )
> (and scooter rear tire on the front)
>

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5i.

Re: A show of hands please. Who uses a car tire on their Reflex?

Posted by: "Michael" mbr987@comcast.net   bandito_two

Wed Jan 20, 2010 8:04 pm (PST)



-- In hondareflexowners@yahoogroups.com, jim borton <gondola1545@...> wrote:
>
> I'm a DOT engineer....

Sigh......

OK, I'll entertain you.
So you've got connections, or make them? Could have used a person
that could connect some dots down there at Fort Hood not too long
ago or over here in Detroit with that man made disaster that nearly
occured. OOPS! Wait.... my bad.... DOT engineer, not dot connector.

> How many pinkies do you need to move a car tire vs a motorcycle....

WOW! I'm sure it would take alot in either case, but I don't know for
sure since I only have two to work with. I make full use of my hands
and arms and have no troubles at all controlling the bike. I was just
saying it would only be harder to do if you used just your pinky
finger. It is NOT harder to steer. Have you EVER tried riding a bike
with a standard tire set up and then also rode that bike with a car
tire? Hmmm?..... No? then how the hell would you know whether or not
that it was harder to steer?

> More weight and more surface area on the pavement....

Ah, yes, exactly. Just the right thing for a higher co-efficient
of friction. Exactly the thing you'd want and need for that oh so
intimate and controlled connection to the road.

> It doesn't make sence to put on a car tire...

Actually I think you're right about that... but,
it does make sense to put on a car tire.

> Harder on the bearings also...

I don't understand how that could be when a larger diameter tire
would actually be rotating less, so less wear, easier to roll over
bumps and with a larger body to absorb the jolts, and weight
difference of only about 2 LBS. (roughly the weight of 1/3 gal. of
gas.) between the Hoop and the 155/80.(Hoop = about 9 LBS and the
155/80R12 = about 11 LBS)

> A larger(taller) tire makes sence but a 13" tire on the Reflex is
> pretty good....

NO, NO, NO,..... A larger(taller) tire makes SENSE but a 13" tire on
the Reflex is pretty good... Great actually, but it has to be a 13"
scooter tire and be used up front. Car tires are not good really to
use up front. Dynamics are all wrong for that. Reflex uses a 12"
wheel on the rear and 13" wheel on the front.

In conclusion, I wonder what kind of person would just ignore a
simple request like:
Please no opposition replies, this is for those that actually
use a car tire on their Reflex.

Anyway, I suspect that there are not a great many of us(yet) that
do use a car tire on our Reflex scoots, so this shouldn't take long.

I'm feeling just a little cocky and a bit more irritated than usual
and having a low tolerance for smug so called educated types who can't spell or articulate logically. This world is full of educated so and sos. Sorry if it offends, but it is what it is. So I'll go
back to what I was doing and DOT engineers can go back to engineering
their DOTs or whatever it is they do.

Mike B.

(Rochester Hills Michigan Double Dark Side Rider)
(2007 Honda NSS250S Reflex Sport "Scarlet")
(2006 Honda FSC600A Silverwing "Jester")
( Both with a car tire on the rear )
(and scooter rear tire on the front)

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Re: {Disarmed} Re: Honda Reflex Group Re: A show of hands please. Wh

Posted by: "George Giftos" gcgiftos@utmi.net   gcgiftos

Thu Jan 21, 2010 4:15 am (PST)



Jim,

Those who have done it report just the opposite. Being a DOT engineer doesn't necessarily qualify you as an expert on this topic. I would say that the people who have done it and have experience with it are more qualified to comment on it than you or I are. There's a ton of posts on this topic and all of them from users are favorable. No one has taken it off after having moved to the darkside!

George

On Jan 20, 2010, at 7:54 PM, jim borton wrote:

> I'm a DOT engineer....
> How many pinkies do you need to move a car tire vs a motorcycle....
> More weight and more surface area on the pavement....
> It doesn't make sence to put on a car tire... Harder on the bearings also...
> A larger(taller) tire makes sence but a 13" tire on the Reflex is pretty good....
>
> ________________________________
> From: Michael <mbr987@comcast.net>
> To: hondareflexowners@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Wed, January 20, 2010 4:44:20 PM
> Subject: Honda Reflex Group Re: A show of hands please. Who uses a car tire on their Reflex?
>
>
> --- In hondareflexowners@ yahoogroups. com, jim borton <gondola1545@ ...> wrote:
> >
> > Why would you want to use a car tire inplace of a motorcycle tire....
> Several valid reasons actually, but I've
> got a better question for you; Why not?
>
> > Hard to steer...
> Only if you try to do it using only your pinky finger.
>
> > Poor gas miles...
> Not for me.... better mileage actually. But it might be worse
> for you. Water is NOT a good fuel extender and just letting it
> idle for hours on end while you stare at the bike doesn't help
> either.
>
> > Heavier...
> Um... depends on how many cheese burgers you eat first I think.
>
> > List can go on...
> And so unneccessarily so......
>
> Mike B.
>
> (Rochester Hills Michigan Double Dark Side Rider)
> (2007 Honda NSS250S Reflex Sport "Scarlet")
> (2006 Honda FSC600A Silverwing "Jester")
> ( Both with a car tire on the rear )
> (and scooter rear tire on the front)
>
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