Tuesday, January 5, 2010

Honda Reflex Group Digest Number 4704

Messages In This Digest (13 Messages)

Messages

1a.

Re: What kind of antifreeze goes to 2004 Honda Reflex?

Posted by: "Rod" rodstractor@yahoo.com   rodstractor

Mon Jan 4, 2010 5:08 am (PST)



I would use the correct Honda antifreeze from the dealer. Then you will know it is right. I made a mistake and used auto antifreeze that was not the correct type in my 02 Reflex. later my waterpump seal started to leak. I was told that may have been the reason.
                                                          Rod

--- On Mon, 1/4/10, yevgenyshine <yevgenyshine@yahoo.com> wrote:

From: yevgenyshine <yevgenyshine@yahoo.com>
Subject: Honda Reflex Group What kind of antifreeze goes to 2004 Honda Reflex?
To: hondareflexowners@yahoogroups.com
Date: Monday, January 4, 2010, 1:03 AM

 

What kind of antifreeze goes to 2004 Honda Reflex?
Can I add Peak antifreeze 50/50 ?

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1b.

Re: What kind of antifreeze goes to 2004 Honda Reflex?

Posted by: "Joe Barnhart" flaboye@gmail.com   jtbgnsv

Mon Jan 4, 2010 5:19 am (PST)



I use prestone and it says:

silicate, phosphate, borate & nitrate free

Been using that for a long time now with no issues.

I think the bad thing is the silicates, but someone else can verify that.

On Mon, Jan 4, 2010 at 8:07 AM, Rod <rodstractor@yahoo.com> wrote:

>
>
> I would use the correct Honda antifreeze from the dealer. Then you will
> know it is right. I made a mistake and used auto antifreeze that was not the
> correct type in my 02 Reflex. later my waterpump seal started to leak. I was
> told that may have been the reason.
> Rod
>
> --- On Mon, 1/4/10, yevgenyshine <yevgenyshine@yahoo.com<yevgenyshine%40yahoo.com>>
> wrote:
>
> From: yevgenyshine <yevgenyshine@yahoo.com <yevgenyshine%40yahoo.com>>
> Subject: Honda Reflex Group What kind of antifreeze goes to 2004 Honda
> Reflex?
> To: hondareflexowners@yahoogroups.com<hondareflexowners%40yahoogroups.com>
> Date: Monday, January 4, 2010, 1:03 AM
>
>
>
> What kind of antifreeze goes to 2004 Honda Reflex?
> Can I add Peak antifreeze 50/50 ?
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>
>

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2a.

winter storage?

Posted by: "jjginpa" jj.groves@comcast.net   jjginpa

Mon Jan 4, 2010 9:51 am (PST)



I live in the Philadelphia area and decided to store my Reflex in my basement (walkout) this year. However, after storing it last month I started wondering if this is safe.
It's a pretty large basement and the bike is at the opposite end of the house from the furnace.
I googled and found that a lot of others store their bikes in the basement also. So, how about it?
I'd like to hear opinions from this Board.
I'd especially like to hear from Bruce.
I always find your input very thoughtful and on target.

2b.

Re: winter storage?

Posted by: "TubaTim" phreadbarnz@gmail.com   phreadbarnz

Mon Jan 4, 2010 12:09 pm (PST)



Here's an opinion......
BruceK lives in an area of the country that offers year round riding. How would he know if it is safe?
I'd be more interested in hearing from people who actually have to store their bikes for the winter.

TravlinTim (who rides every day of the year) Hansen
phreadbarnz@iwon.com

--- In hondareflexowners@yahoogroups.com, "jjginpa" <jj.groves@...> wrote:
>
> I live in the Philadelphia area and decided to store my Reflex in my basement (walkout) this year. However, after storing it last month I started wondering if this is safe.
> It's a pretty large basement and the bike is at the opposite end of the house from the furnace.
> I googled and found that a lot of others store their bikes in the basement also. So, how about it?
> I'd like to hear opinions from this Board.
> I'd especially like to hear from Bruce.
> I always find your input very thoughtful and on target.
>

2c.

Re: winter storage?

Posted by: "Cathy Hamma" cathy@clktech.com   webcat95

Mon Jan 4, 2010 12:29 pm (PST)



My husband used to store his Harley in the basement every winter. If it's in a heated environment, you can drain the gas tank to eliminate that concern.

Cathy Hamma

----------------------------------------
From: "TubaTim" <phreadbarnz@gmail.com>
Sent: Monday, January 04, 2010 2:12 PM
To: hondareflexowners@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Honda Reflex Group Re: winter storage?

Here's an opinion......
BruceK lives in an area of the country that offers year round riding. How would he know if it is safe?
I'd be more interested in hearing from people who actually have to store their bikes for the winter.

TravlinTim (who rides every day of the year) Hansen
phreadbarnz@iwon.com

--- In hondareflexowners@yahoogroups.com, "jjginpa" <jj.groves@...> wrote:
>
> I live in the Philadelphia area and decided to store my Reflex in my basement (walkout) this year. However, after storing it last month I started wondering if this is safe.
> It's a pretty large basement and the bike is at the opposite end of the house from the furnace.
> I googled and found that a lot of others store their bikes in the basement also. So, how about it?
> I'd like to hear opinions from this Board.
> I'd especially like to hear from Bruce.
> I always find your input very thoughtful and on target.
>



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2d.

Re: winter storage?

Posted by: "BruceK" bruce@aplusservices.com   bruceakoehler

Mon Jan 4, 2010 1:54 pm (PST)



If it were me, I either would not do it - or I would completely seal up the bike in plastic - taped shut. I think that is easier than draining both the fuel tank and the carb. While it might be arguable that the fuel tank could be sealed at the filler instead, what if some leaks out through the fuel lines and fuel pump?

There is no absolute way to know that gas fumes will not get ignited without sealing the source completely.

And I realize that many of us park vehicles in a garage that also contains a furnace and/or water heater, there is a lot more fresh air "leakage" to disperse the fumes...

For what it's worth

Bruce Koehler - the Koehlerizer
Santa Cruz, CA

--- In hondareflexowners@yahoogroups.com, "jjginpa" <jj.groves@...> wrote:
>
> I live in the Philadelphia area and decided to store my Reflex in my basement (walkout) this year. However, after storing it last month I started wondering if this is safe.
> It's a pretty large basement and the bike is at the opposite end of the house from the furnace.
> I googled and found that a lot of others store their bikes in the basement also. So, how about it?
> I'd like to hear opinions from this Board.
> I'd especially like to hear from Bruce.
> I always find your input very thoughtful and on target.
>

3.

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Mon Jan 4, 2010 12:09 pm (PST)



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4.1.

Re: File - REMINDER - Check your oil each ride day

Posted by: "BruceK" bruce@aplusservices.com   bruceakoehler

Mon Jan 4, 2010 1:49 pm (PST)



Because apparently they have carried the same ERRONEOUS INFORMATION forward into the manual for the new model.

Bruce Koehler

--- In hondareflexowners@yahoogroups.com, "ShayneH" <shayneh2006@...> wrote:
>
>
>
> G'day.
>
>
> Thats very interesting about the oil check proceedure. I now have a Forza 250-x 07 (new shape)that was puchased new 6 months ago after my 2001 Forza was wrecked in a collision. On my earlier model bike, i think i checked the oil as you have described. Before leaving for work and after sitting for a full night on the center stand i would check it.
>
> Now, heres where i get a little confused. It says in the manual for the new bike that the oil check proceedure should be as follows-
>
> 1. Place bike on center stand
> 2. Start engine and let it idle for 2-5 mins (i guess to get the oil
> distributed through the engine) without snapping at the throttle.
> 3. Turn off ignition and let sit for 2-3 mins
>
> Then you just check the oil in the normal way.
>
> What i dont get about it all is why and how could it be so much different to the old model???
>
>
>
> --- In hondareflexowners@yahoogroups.com, hondareflexowners@yahoogroups.com wrote:
> >
> >
> > MONTHLY WELL-INTENTIONED REMINDER
> >
> > Fuel System:
> >
> > Keep the fuel tank full - especially during prolonged storage - to avoid rust.
> >
> > Exhaust System:
> >
> > Check all of the fasteners along the exhaust system and PAIR Emission system at each preventive maintenance check to help avoid blown exhaust gaskets and damaged PAIR items. Torque on headpipe studs is 7ft/lb, 9 Nm.
> >
> > Fork Tubes:
> >
> > Clean them to prolong fork tube seal life.
> >
> > OIL LEVEL:
> >
> >
> > At least two members have experienced a catastrophic engine failure
> > due to oil loss!!!!
> >
> > NEITHER observed tailpipe smoke or seepage or a puddle of oil.
> >
> > At least one - a conservative rider - checked his oil (among other things)
> > WEEKLY - so his oil loss happened in a week's time of LOCAL ridng!
> >
> > Hopefully, they will find out how the oil escaped when they
> > disassemble the engine so that we can learn from that
> > and avoid such a failure.
> >
> > Meanwhile, check the oil each day you ride!!!
> >
> >
> > If one simply unscrews the dipstick and looks at the level on it, that dipstick was inserted about 1/2 inch FURTHER than the way it is to be done!!!!! - because it was SCREWED IN!!!!
> >
> > It will give an artificially HIGH oil level indication.
> >
> > It is imperative to:
> >
> > 1. Park the scooter on the centerstand - on flat ground.
> > NEVER DO THIS CHECK ON THE SIDESTAND!!!
> >
> > 2. Remove the dipstick, then wipe it with a clean lintfee wipe.
> >
> > 3. Reinsert the dipstick WITHOUT SCREWING IT IN
> > in order to get a correct check on the oil level.
> >
> > 4. Withdraw the dipstick without having screwed it in.
> >
> > 5. Check that the oil level is within the level marks on the dipstick.
> >
> > Be careful to not overfill.
> >
> >
> > THe following addition from Rick in Ny:
> >
> > P.S. The crosshatch squares are clear of oil when you wipe the dip stick
> > clean. When you insert it and remove it these little squares will have oil in
> > them to show how high you oil level is.
> >
> > P.P.S. Too much oil has caused some people to loose power also. (Such as oil
> > dripping out when you take the dip stick out) Rick in KY
> >
> > That's because the excess oil is sucked up into the the air filter
> > via the crankcase breather - Bruce
> >
>

4.2.

Re: File - REMINDER - Check your oil each ride day

Posted by: "ShayneH" shayneh2006@yahoo.com   shayneh2006

Mon Jan 4, 2010 9:52 pm (PST)



I feel a little ignorant about what was in the manual for the earlier models as i never had the privilage to read it. You see, when i purchases my first one, it came with "less one owners manual", so i never had a chance at following what the manufacturer recomended in regards to Maintanance. Thanks

--- In hondareflexowners@yahoogroups.com, "BruceK" <bruce@...> wrote:
>
> Because apparently they have carried the same ERRONEOUS INFORMATION forward into the manual for the new model.
>
> Bruce Koehler
>
> --- In hondareflexowners@yahoogroups.com, "ShayneH" <shayneh2006@> wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> > G'day.
> >
> >
> > Thats very interesting about the oil check proceedure. I now have a Forza 250-x 07 (new shape)that was puchased new 6 months ago after my 2001 Forza was wrecked in a collision. On my earlier model bike, i think i checked the oil as you have described. Before leaving for work and after sitting for a full night on the center stand i would check it.
> >
> > Now, heres where i get a little confused. It says in the manual for the new bike that the oil check proceedure should be as follows-
> >
> > 1. Place bike on center stand
> > 2. Start engine and let it idle for 2-5 mins (i guess to get the oil
> > distributed through the engine) without snapping at the throttle.
> > 3. Turn off ignition and let sit for 2-3 mins
> >
> > Then you just check the oil in the normal way.
> >
> > What i dont get about it all is why and how could it be so much different to the old model???
> >
> >
> >
> > --- In hondareflexowners@yahoogroups.com, hondareflexowners@yahoogroups.com wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > > MONTHLY WELL-INTENTIONED REMINDER
> > >
> > > Fuel System:
> > >
> > > Keep the fuel tank full - especially during prolonged storage - to avoid rust.
> > >
> > > Exhaust System:
> > >
> > > Check all of the fasteners along the exhaust system and PAIR Emission system at each preventive maintenance check to help avoid blown exhaust gaskets and damaged PAIR items. Torque on headpipe studs is 7ft/lb, 9 Nm.
> > >
> > > Fork Tubes:
> > >
> > > Clean them to prolong fork tube seal life.
> > >
> > > OIL LEVEL:
> > >
> > >
> > > At least two members have experienced a catastrophic engine failure
> > > due to oil loss!!!!
> > >
> > > NEITHER observed tailpipe smoke or seepage or a puddle of oil.
> > >
> > > At least one - a conservative rider - checked his oil (among other things)
> > > WEEKLY - so his oil loss happened in a week's time of LOCAL ridng!
> > >
> > > Hopefully, they will find out how the oil escaped when they
> > > disassemble the engine so that we can learn from that
> > > and avoid such a failure.
> > >
> > > Meanwhile, check the oil each day you ride!!!
> > >
> > >
> > > If one simply unscrews the dipstick and looks at the level on it, that dipstick was inserted about 1/2 inch FURTHER than the way it is to be done!!!!! - because it was SCREWED IN!!!!
> > >
> > > It will give an artificially HIGH oil level indication.
> > >
> > > It is imperative to:
> > >
> > > 1. Park the scooter on the centerstand - on flat ground.
> > > NEVER DO THIS CHECK ON THE SIDESTAND!!!
> > >
> > > 2. Remove the dipstick, then wipe it with a clean lintfee wipe.
> > >
> > > 3. Reinsert the dipstick WITHOUT SCREWING IT IN
> > > in order to get a correct check on the oil level.
> > >
> > > 4. Withdraw the dipstick without having screwed it in.
> > >
> > > 5. Check that the oil level is within the level marks on the dipstick.
> > >
> > > Be careful to not overfill.
> > >
> > >
> > > THe following addition from Rick in Ny:
> > >
> > > P.S. The crosshatch squares are clear of oil when you wipe the dip stick
> > > clean. When you insert it and remove it these little squares will have oil in
> > > them to show how high you oil level is.
> > >
> > > P.P.S. Too much oil has caused some people to loose power also. (Such as oil
> > > dripping out when you take the dip stick out) Rick in KY
> > >
> > > That's because the excess oil is sucked up into the the air filter
> > > via the crankcase breather - Bruce
> > >
> >
>

5a.

winter storage

Posted by: "Tim Miller" timmill29@yahoo.com   timmill29

Mon Jan 4, 2010 9:22 pm (PST)



i hate to be a hypocrite but i live in Florida and mostly agree with Bruce it is a good idea to run your bike dry of fuel simply because it has an expiration date and with all the ethanol that's in today's fuel it goes bad much faster so if you don't want to rebuild you carb and drain the tank in spring i would recommend following his instructions however i don't think theres any safety risk every one i know up north stores there bikes inside

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5b.

Re: winter storage

Posted by: "BruceK" bruce@aplusservices.com   bruceakoehler

Mon Jan 4, 2010 9:37 pm (PST)





--- In hondareflexowners@yahoogroups.com, Tim Miller <timmill29@...> wrote:
>
> i hate to be a hypocrite but i live in Florida and mostly agree with Bruce it is a good idea to run your bike dry of fuel simply because it has an expiration date and with all the ethanol that's in today's fuel it goes bad much faster so if you don't want to rebuild you carb and drain the tank in spring i would recommend following his instructions however i don't think theres any safety risk every one i know up north stores there bikes inside
>
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>

There's only a risk of fire in your home's basement if the scooter happens to leak fuel...

6.

Recommend a battery charger

Posted by: "John Reiher" kedamono@mac.com   Kedamono

Mon Jan 4, 2010 10:56 pm (PST)



My battery is very low on my 2002 Reflex, and I need to recharge it. I
looked up chargers, but I'm confused by all the choices. It looks like
I might want a Optimate 3 charger/desulfurizer. But, I want to make
sure. Opinions?

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7.

A great, short video clip

Posted by: "MichaelB" mikeveg@yahoo.com   mikeveg

Tue Jan 5, 2010 5:09 am (PST)



Italian motorcycle police demonstration sometime in the 1950's. Too bad it's so short!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SIqrpCAUF98

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  1. how do I drain my fuel tank on Honda reflux 2004 250, Thanks kirk

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  2. Interested in selling my 2004 250 Honda Reflex.. Always Garage kept . Actual miles approx. 500. any interest? I am 15min S of Winstar Casino just west of I 35 . Cash Only. Make offer

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