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1a.: Re: double darksider From: william page
1b.: Re: double darksider From: tailmaster

2a.: Re: 26,2 From: Michael
2b.: Re: 26,2 From: Richard Brunner
2c.: Re: 26,2 From: Joe Barnhart

3a.: Re: Headlights died suddenly From: cccajohn
3b.: Re: Headlights died suddenly From: Joe Barnhart

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1a.: Re: double darksider

Posted by: "william page" gasmanox@msn.com wcpage3725

Sat Jan 2, 2010 5:38 am (PST)

ya its 20 degrees here also

-20 degrees fingers wont even bend around the grips

yuper bill

in the u p

w c page

To: hondareflexowners@yahoogroups.com
From: tonymarchman@att.net
Date: Fri, 1 Jan 2010 17:36:58 +0000
Subject: Honda Reflex Group double darksider

Actually I had purchased a Pirelli Diablo 150/70-13 for my majesty and removed the BS Hoop 150/70-13 which had 5k miles on it and that is what I put on the front of the reflex. The hoop still has a lot of life in it and should last until 2020 (smile). It gives the reflex a sportbike look with that massive tire. Another amusing note is both tires maintain full contact with the pavement when I put it on the center stand. This makes it so easy to use the center stand now. The side stand is almost too short. Anyway, I plan to get a lot of use out of it this spring.
Tony in Tenn (it was 20 degrees this morning and getting colder tonight)

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1b.: Re: double darksider

Posted by: "tailmaster" freedomfyter@yahoo.com tailmaster

Sat Jan 2, 2010 1:38 pm (PST)

Hey Tony & Mike,

I'm interested in the "improved ride" characteristics.

My 'flex is already very smooth with its 110/90 front Hoop and 145/80R rear Goodyear. But, the ride on Hoops was smooth BEFORE that change.

All the doubledark tires are heavier, much wider, taller, more costly, and reportedly "look better." In fact, I'm speculating that the factors mentioned above may reduce the "flickability" that I like about the 'flex. Won't a wider and heavier tire reduce front end response, making it more sluggish?

A case in point. I once rented a brand new '98 Cadillac Fleetwood. Smooth ride. Quiet. Roomy. Comfortable. Luxurious. But, it was hell to drive! The "adaptive" power steering was so sensitive, especially at highway speeds, that "smooth" steering was impossible. The rental agency was very apologetic and let me use another. SAME THING! I swore off Cadillac from that day on.

I'm FAR more interested in performance than appearance. So, what is the performance gain over the standard front Hoop; traction, frontline stability, braking, etc.? Just wondering...

TailMaster Jim

--- In hondareflexowners@yahoogroups.com, "tonymarchman@..." <tonymarchman@...> wrote:
>
> Hi Mike, Yes, we did mount the tire so the rotation direction is correct. This is the same size tire as the majesty rear. I am sure it will last for years.
> Thanks for being the one to lead the way into the double darksider world. The reflex has a much improved ride now with all that rubber on the road.
> Tony in Tenn with 41k on old yellow
>

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2a.: Re: 26,2

Posted by: "Michael" mbr987@comcast.net bandito_two

Sat Jan 2, 2010 9:38 am (PST)

--- In hondareflexowners@yahoogroups.com, Joe Barnhart <flaboye@...> wrote:
>
> Well here goes the coldest ride I've ever done.
>
> It's 26.2 outside grrrrrr......
> Flexer was very uhhappy about cranking this morning, lol.
>
> Joe
>
>
::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::
Coldest for me was once upon a time ago when I used a Yamaha Riva 125
to deliver papers in the wee hours of the morning. It was near zero
or below and the front brake wouldn't work right with cables so cold
and stiff.

BTW, I did go for a short ride New Years Day. About a mile and a half
tooling around the neighborhood. 25F degrees with wind chill of only
17 and the road was pretty slippery in a bunch of places. But what
fun!!! (and I didn't fall down.) Also, in its heart it wanted to do
wheelies and refused to allow donuts with the car tire on back though
it certainly would slide when grabbing the rear brakes hard while
moving. I just put a pic of me on the scoot in the car tires and swingarm mods album.

Mike B.

(Rochester Hills Michigan Double Dark Side Rider)
(2007 Honda Reflex Sport "Scarlet")
(Hercules G2000T 155/80R12 car tire on the back.)
(Pirelli Diablo 150/70-13 scooter rear tire on the front.)

(2006 Honda FSC600A Silverwing) "?"
(Michelin Destiny 175/70/R13 car tire on the back.)
(Michelin Gold Standard 150/70-14) scooter rear tire on the front.)

**** While knowledge has power, It is what you do with what you
know that is important.
It gives the knowledge validity and demonstrates it's worth.
Use it wisely. **** (I wish I knew more)

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2b.: Re: 26,2

Posted by: "Richard Brunner" brunneraa1p@comcast.net berlindresdenmichelstadt

Sat Jan 2, 2010 10:06 am (PST)

Re:
> > Well here goes the coldest ride I've ever done.

My coldest ride was when I went for the scooter/motorcycle road test. I
had been practicing circles and 8's diligently, called in for a test
date in mid-September, and was shocked when they scheduled me for late
October. It was cold weather, 28 degrees, so I put a 100 Watt lamp
under the engine and covered the scoot to be sure it would start. I
wore an extra sweater and wound a scarf around my neck, and didn't get
any colder during the 20 minute run to the inspection station. I
passed, it was about as hard as falling off a log, and the ride home was
much warmer. This was with my old Vento with no wind shield.

Richard

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2c.: Re: 26,2

Posted by: "Joe Barnhart" flaboye@gmail.com jtbgnsv

Sat Jan 2, 2010 10:18 am (PST)

Looks like we may see under 20 degrees Sunday night and Monday night here in
North Florida, I'll let you guys know.

Delivering papers, I did that when I was a youngster too Mike. Glad to hear
the car tires held! Will go check out your new pics.

Richard, sounds like you knew how to dress! In layers!

Joe

On Sat, Jan 2, 2010 at 1:06 PM, Richard Brunner <brunneraa1p@comcast.net>wrote:

>
>
>
> Re:
> > > Well here goes the coldest ride I've ever done.
>
> My coldest ride was when I went for the scooter/motorcycle road test. I
> had been practicing circles and 8's diligently, called in for a test
> date in mid-September, and was shocked when they scheduled me for late
> October. It was cold weather, 28 degrees, so I put a 100 Watt lamp
> under the engine and covered the scoot to be sure it would start. I
> wore an extra sweater and wound a scarf around my neck, and didn't get
> any colder during the 20 minute run to the inspection station. I
> passed, it was about as hard as falling off a log, and the ride home was
> much warmer. This was with my old Vento with no wind shield.
>
> Richard
>
>
>

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3a.: Re: Headlights died suddenly

Posted by: "cccajohn" johnfugatt@prodigy.net cccajohn

Sat Jan 2, 2010 10:00 pm (PST)

Joe, sorry I never got back to you on your question. I did not see the lights on the dash while my headlights were not working. This I am sure is because they were getting no voltage due to the bad wire on my starter switch.

--- In hondareflexowners@yahoogroups.com, Joe Barnhart <flaboye@...> wrote:
>
> Thanks! I'll be waiting to hear from you, thanks again.
>
> On Thu, Dec 3, 2009 at 1:09 PM, cccajohn <johnfugatt@...> wrote:
>
> >
> >
> > Mine turned out to be the wire came loose from the solder inside the
> > starter switch. If you manually place it back, all is okay. Those solder
> > points are so small, not sure I can fix it.
> >
> > I ordered a replacement on Ebay for the entire assembly. If I can fix mine,
> > I will at least have a back up.
> >
> > I will check to see what the dash shows as I have not actually fixed the
> > starter switch yet. I will let you know if the light comes on even though
> > the high beam is not working.
> >
> > --- In hondareflexowners@yahoogroups.com<hondareflexowners%40yahoogroups.com>,
> > Lisa Cassell <lisacassell@> wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > > No. Actually I didn't even know the headlights were out until I got it
> > inspected and it didn't pass. I checked the bulbs, pulled off the front,
> > checked the fuse and the relay (or whatever is all the things in the front
> > of the bike under the plastic) and everything was good. So the friend that
> > was helping me just started asking me some questions about when the
> > headlights come on. I told him that the headlights are on when the key goes
> > into the on position but turn off when you hit the starter. So he just
> > thought 'maybe it's the starter'. So we took off the cap and he just jiggled
> > the wires in there, and then the headlights worked. So we sprayed it with
> > the wd-40 and it's worked every since.
> > > Lisa
> > >
> > >
> > > --- On Wed, 12/2/09, Joe Barnhart <flaboye@> wrote:
> > >
> > > > From: Joe Barnhart <flaboye@>
> > > > Subject: Re: Honda Reflex Group Re: Headlights died suddenly
> > > > To: hondareflexowners@yahoogroups.com<hondareflexowners%40yahoogroups.com>
> > > > Date: Wednesday, December 2, 2009, 8:07 AM
> > > > Did your high beam indicator quit
> > > > working when your switch went bad before
> > > > you sprayed it?
> > > >
> > > > On Wed, Dec 2, 2009 at 9:00 AM, Lisa Cassell <lisacassell@>
> > > > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > My '01 also did this. We sprayed some wd-40 into the
> > > > starter switch box and
> > > > > they worked fine.
> > > > > Lisa in Cowtown, TX
> > > > >
> > > > > --- On Wed, 12/2/09, Joe Barnhart <flaboye@
> > > > <flaboye%40gmail.com>>
> > > > > wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > > From: Joe Barnhart <flaboye@
> > > > <flaboye%40gmail.com>>
> > > > > > Subject: Re: Honda Reflex Group Re: Headlights
> > > > died suddenly
> > > > > > To: hondareflexowners@yahoogroups.com<hondareflexowners%40yahoogroups.com>
> > <hondareflexowners%40yahoogroups.com>
> > > > > > Date: Wednesday, December 2, 2009, 5:13 AM
> > > > > > My '01 did this and Bruce, after
> > > > > > working with me for a bit on it, predicted
> > > > > > it was my starter switch. I rewired mine to
> > > > run both
> > > > > > high and low beams,
> > > > > > and be on all the time with the key.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I do have a question for you if you
> > > > remember. When
> > > > > > this happened, if you
> > > > > > used the bright/low beam switch did the bright
> > > > beam
> > > > > > indicator light down on
> > > > > > the dash or not? (even though the
> > > > headlights were
> > > > > > dead)
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I haven't tested the switch since I was in a jam,
> > > > needed
> > > > > > lights and rewired
> > > > > > them. But, I am curious if your high beam
> > > > indicator
> > > > > > quit working also after
> > > > > > your lights went dead, mine does not by the way,
> > > > even to
> > > > > > this day.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Joe
> > > > > > On Wed, Dec 2, 2009 at 1:17 AM, cccajohn <johnfugatt@
> > ...<johnfugatt%40prodigy.net>
> > > > > >
> > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Well guys, not sure anybody is interested
> > > > but I
> > > > > > figured out that the sudden
> > > > > > > death of both of my headlights was due to a
> > > > bad
> > > > > > starter switch. The starter
> > > > > > > switch does great starting the scooter but
> > > > the lights
> > > > > > never work. So,
> > > > > > > experimenting with an extra switch, I was
> > > > able to
> > > > > > confirm that was my issue
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > I am told this is a relatively common issue
> > > > with Honda
> > > > > > motorcycles and
> > > > > > > scooters. I imagine I will not be the last
> > > > in the
> > > > > > group to experience it.
> > > > > > > So, thougth I would share. Thanks!
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > --- In hondareflexowners@yahoogroups.com<hondareflexowners%40yahoogroups.com>
> > <hondareflexowners%40yahoogroups.com>
> > > > > <hondareflexowners%40yahoogroups.com>,
> > > > > > > "cccajohn" <johnfugatt@> wrote:
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Guys, I had my headlights (both low and
> > > > high) go
> > > > > > out at one time. I don't
> > > > > > > believe it is the bulbs as I don't actually
> > > > seem to be
> > > > > > getting juice to the
> > > > > > > lights themselves. I pulled the front off
> > > > and got to
> > > > > > the connector that runs
> > > > > > > to the lights.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > My sidelights and blinkers work fine.
> > > > When I put
> > > > > > a tester on the hot side
> > > > > > > of the connector, I get no or a very small
> > > > reading. I
> > > > > > checked the fuse, it's
> > > > > > > good (even swapped it out just in case).
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Could it be the headlight (high beam)
> > > > switch? Any
> > > > > > ideas out there?
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Thanks guys. If it matters, it is a
> > > > 2001.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been
> > > > removed]
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > ------------------------------------
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > hondareflexowners-fullfeatured@yahoogroups.com<hondareflexowners-fullfeatured%40yahoogroups.com>
> > <hondareflexowners-fullfeatured%40yahoogroups.com>
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > ------------------------------------
> > > >
> > > > Yahoo! Groups Links
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > hondareflexowners-fullfeatured@yahoogroups.com<hondareflexowners-fullfeatured%40yahoogroups.com>
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>

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3b.: Re: Headlights died suddenly

Posted by: "Joe Barnhart" flaboye@gmail.com jtbgnsv

Sun Jan 3, 2010 4:21 am (PST)

Thanks!

I will probably take it apart when it warms up, we're in for a rough winter
they say with El Nino.

It's 25 this morning, and supposedly going into the teens starting Monday
night through Friday morning then warming up just a few degrees then going
back again the following week, bleh!! And, yes, we're riding every morning,
18 degrees or not.

For now, both lights come on with the key but I cannot control dim/bright,
which, I guess, I'd like to be able to do.

I guess on bright sunny days out on the country runs I would only use the
dim side.

Thanks again for getting back on it!

Joe

On Sun, Jan 3, 2010 at 12:57 AM, cccajohn <johnfugatt@prodigy.net> wrote:

>
>
>
> Joe, sorry I never got back to you on your question. I did not see the
> lights on the dash while my headlights were not working. This I am sure is
> because they were getting no voltage due to the bad wire on my starter
> switch.
>
> --- In hondareflexowners@yahoogroups.com<hondareflexowners%40yahoogroups.com>,
> Joe Barnhart <flaboye@...> wrote:
> >
> > Thanks! I'll be waiting to hear from you, thanks again.
> >
> > On Thu, Dec 3, 2009 at 1:09 PM, cccajohn <johnfugatt@...> wrote:
> >
> > >
> > >
> > > Mine turned out to be the wire came loose from the solder inside the
> > > starter switch. If you manually place it back, all is okay. Those
> solder
> > > points are so small, not sure I can fix it.
> > >
> > > I ordered a replacement on Ebay for the entire assembly. If I can fix
> mine,
> > > I will at least have a back up.
> > >
> > > I will check to see what the dash shows as I have not actually fixed
> the
> > > starter switch yet. I will let you know if the light comes on even
> though
> > > the high beam is not working.
> > >
> > > --- In hondareflexowners@yahoogroups.com<hondareflexowners%40yahoogroups.com>
> <hondareflexowners%40yahoogroups.com>,
> > > Lisa Cassell <lisacassell@> wrote:
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > No. Actually I didn't even know the headlights were out until I got
> it
> > > inspected and it didn't pass. I checked the bulbs, pulled off the
> front,
> > > checked the fuse and the relay (or whatever is all the things in the
> front
> > > of the bike under the plastic) and everything was good. So the friend
> that
> > > was helping me just started asking me some questions about when the
> > > headlights come on. I told him that the headlights are on when the key
> goes
> > > into the on position but turn off when you hit the starter. So he just
> > > thought 'maybe it's the starter'. So we took off the cap and he just
> jiggled
> > > the wires in there, and then the headlights worked. So we sprayed it
> with
> > > the wd-40 and it's worked every since.
> > > > Lisa
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > --- On Wed, 12/2/09, Joe Barnhart <flaboye@> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > From: Joe Barnhart <flaboye@>
> > > > > Subject: Re: Honda Reflex Group Re: Headlights died suddenly
> > > > > To: hondareflexowners@yahoogroups.com<hondareflexowners%40yahoogroups.com>
> <hondareflexowners%40yahoogroups.com>
> > > > > Date: Wednesday, December 2, 2009, 8:07 AM
> > > > > Did your high beam indicator quit
> > > > > working when your switch went bad before
> > > > > you sprayed it?
> > > > >
> > > > > On Wed, Dec 2, 2009 at 9:00 AM, Lisa Cassell <lisacassell@>
> > > > > wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > My '01 also did this. We sprayed some wd-40 into the
> > > > > starter switch box and
> > > > > > they worked fine.
> > > > > > Lisa in Cowtown, TX
> > > > > >
> > > > > > --- On Wed, 12/2/09, Joe Barnhart <flaboye@
> > > > > <flaboye%40gmail.com>>
> > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > From: Joe Barnhart <flaboye@
> > > > > <flaboye%40gmail.com>>
> > > > > > > Subject: Re: Honda Reflex Group Re: Headlights
> > > > > died suddenly
> > > > > > > To: hondareflexowners@yahoogroups.com<hondareflexowners%40yahoogroups.com>
> <hondareflexowners%40yahoogroups.com>
> > > <hondareflexowners%40yahoogroups.com>
> > > > > > > Date: Wednesday, December 2, 2009, 5:13 AM
> > > > > > > My '01 did this and Bruce, after
> > > > > > > working with me for a bit on it, predicted
> > > > > > > it was my starter switch. I rewired mine to
> > > > > run both
> > > > > > > high and low beams,
> > > > > > > and be on all the time with the key.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > I do have a question for you if you
> > > > > remember. When
> > > > > > > this happened, if you
> > > > > > > used the bright/low beam switch did the bright
> > > > > beam
> > > > > > > indicator light down on
> > > > > > > the dash or not? (even though the
> > > > > headlights were
> > > > > > > dead)
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > I haven't tested the switch since I was in a jam,
> > > > > needed
> > > > > > > lights and rewired
> > > > > > > them. But, I am curious if your high beam
> > > > > indicator
> > > > > > > quit working also after
> > > > > > > your lights went dead, mine does not by the way,
> > > > > even to
> > > > > > > this day.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Joe
> > > > > > > On Wed, Dec 2, 2009 at 1:17 AM, cccajohn <johnfugatt@
> > > ...<johnfugatt%40prodigy.net>
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Well guys, not sure anybody is interested
> > > > > but I
> > > > > > > figured out that the sudden
> > > > > > > > death of both of my headlights was due to a
> > > > > bad
> > > > > > > starter switch. The starter
> > > > > > > > switch does great starting the scooter but
> > > > > the lights
> > > > > > > never work. So,
> > > > > > > > experimenting with an extra switch, I was
> > > > > able to
> > > > > > > confirm that was my issue
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > I am told this is a relatively common issue
> > > > > with Honda
> > > > > > > motorcycles and
> > > > > > > > scooters. I imagine I will not be the last
> > > > > in the
> > > > > > > group to experience it.
> > > > > > > > So, thougth I would share. Thanks!
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > --- In hondareflexowners@yahoogroups.com<hondareflexowners%40yahoogroups.com>
> <hondareflexowners%40yahoogroups.com>
> > > <hondareflexowners%40yahoogroups.com>
> > > > > > <hondareflexowners%40yahoogroups.com>,
> > > > > > > > "cccajohn" <johnfugatt@> wrote:
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Guys, I had my headlights (both low and
> > > > > high) go
> > > > > > > out at one time. I don't
> > > > > > > > believe it is the bulbs as I don't actually
> > > > > seem to be
> > > > > > > getting juice to the
> > > > > > > > lights themselves. I pulled the front off
> > > > > and got to
> > > > > > > the connector that runs
> > > > > > > > to the lights.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > My sidelights and blinkers work fine.
> > > > > When I put
> > > > > > > a tester on the hot side
> > > > > > > > of the connector, I get no or a very small
> > > > > reading. I
> > > > > > > checked the fuse, it's
> > > > > > > > good (even swapped it out just in case).
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Could it be the headlight (high beam)
> > > > > switch? Any
> > > > > > > ideas out there?
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Thanks guys. If it matters, it is a
> > > > > 2001.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been
> > > > > removed]
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > ------------------------------------
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > hondareflexowners-fullfeatured@yahoogroups.com<hondareflexowners-fullfeatured%40yahoogroups.com>
> <hondareflexowners-fullfeatured%40yahoogroups.com>
> > > <hondareflexowners-fullfeatured%40yahoogroups.com>
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
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> > > > >
> > > > >
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