Tuesday, May 11, 2010

Honda Reflex Group Digest Number 4825

Messages In This Digest (25 Messages)

1a.
Re: oil drain plug From: Joe Barnhart
1b.
Re: oil drain plug From: THO LE
1c.
Re: oil drain plug From: brian_cirulnick
1d.
Re: oil drain plug From: Ed Gaffney
1e.
Re: oil drain plug From: Michael
2a.
Brake noise From: THO LE
2b.
Re: Brake noise From: TubaTim
3a.
Re: Tire pressure indicators - from the S/Wing forum From: brian_cirulnick
4.1.
Re: Reflex not starting up, help... From: Carlos Moran
4.2.
Re: Reflex not starting up, help... From: Joe Barnhart
4.3.
Re: Reflex not starting up, help... From: Jonathan Vaughn
4.4.
Re: Reflex not starting up, help... From: Carlos Moran
4.5.
Re: Reflex not starting up, help... From: Joe Barnhart
4.6.
Re: Reflex not starting up, help... From: Carlos Moran
4.7.
Re: Reflex not starting up, help... From: Joe Barnhart
4.8.
Re: Reflex not starting up, help... From: Michael
5a.
Re: Another reminder that should be considered From: floodgateus
6a.
Reflex Temp Guage From: bwernow
6b.
Re: Reflex Temp Guage From: Joe Barnhart
6c.
Re: Reflex Temp Guage From: bwernow
7a.
Scooter Road Rash From: LincolnF
7b.
Re: Scooter Road Rash From: jim borton
7c.
Re: Scooter Road Rash From: Jonathan Vaughn
8a.
Midatlantic Scooter Meet New Holland PA From: Richard
8b.
Midatlantic Scooter Meet New Holland PA From: Richard

Messages

1a.

Re: oil drain plug

Posted by: "Joe Barnhart" flaboye@gmail.com   jtbgnsv

Tue May 11, 2010 7:13 am (PDT)



Thanks.

I am going to buy a gator socket 3/4 universal, and a small set of bolt-out
both from Sears.

I'll first try some vise grips but only once, as further damage to what's
left of the head of this thing isn't in my best interest.

I'll report on what I finally used and take a photo of the thing before I
get it off.

I've had two wear out on me, one broke tightening and this one wore out on
removing.

It's probably the 16th time I've changed the oil so I guess as you guys
continue to use them be sure to check them carefully and have some spares,
which I do.

Joe

On Mon, May 10, 2010 at 7:37 PM, Joe Pal <pal996@lycos.com> wrote:

>
>
> Use a 6 point socket.
>
> From: hondareflexowners@yahoogroups.com<hondareflexowners%40yahoogroups.com>
> [mailto:hondareflexowners@yahoogroups.com<hondareflexowners%40yahoogroups.com>]
> On Behalf Of Joe Barnhart
> Sent: Monday, May 10, 2010 3:23 PM
> To: hondareflexowners@yahoogroups.com<hondareflexowners%40yahoogroups.com>
>
> Subject: Honda Reflex Group oil drain plug
>
>
> Well, this is twice now I've had issues with this part. First one was it
> disintegrated on me tightening it a long time ago.
>
> Now, the head has rounded to the point the sockets won't work.
>
> I'm sure I'm not the only person this has happened to, as it's aluminum.
>
> So, what did the rest of you use to get this off if the socket and end
> wrench will no longer work?
>
> Vise grips? Solder something to it and sacrifice it later, etc.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Joe
>
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>
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>
>
>

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1b.

Re: oil drain plug

Posted by: "THO LE" leductho@yahoo.com   LEDUCTHO

Tue May 11, 2010 7:25 am (PDT)



You should only use the socket like metinche or snap on.  These kinds of socket only apply force on the wall of the hex not on the corner of the hex.  It will go bad very easy, if you use 11/16 instead of 17mm.  Make sure the socket very fit the hex without any loose.  If it loose, you will round the corner of the hex and it need to be replace.

________________________________
From: Joe Barnhart <flaboye@gmail.com>
To: hondareflexowners@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tue, May 11, 2010 10:13:02 AM
Subject: Re: Honda Reflex Group oil drain plug

Thanks.

I am going to buy a gator socket 3/4 universal, and a small set of bolt-out
both from Sears.

I'll first try some vise grips but only once, as further damage to what's
left of the head of this thing isn't in my best interest.

I'll report on what I finally used and take a photo of the thing before I
get it off.

I've had two wear out on me, one broke tightening and this one wore out on
removing.

It's probably the 16th time I've changed the oil so I guess as you guys
continue to use them be sure to check them carefully and have some spares,
which I do.

Joe

On Mon, May 10, 2010 at 7:37 PM, Joe Pal <pal996@lycos.com> wrote:

>
>
> Use a 6 point socket.
>
> From: hondareflexowners@yahoogroups.com<hondareflexowners%40yahoogroups.com>
> [mailto:hondareflexowners@yahoogroups.com<hondareflexowners%40yahoogroups.com>]
> On Behalf Of Joe Barnhart
> Sent: Monday, May 10, 2010 3:23 PM
> To: hondareflexowners@yahoogroups.com<hondareflexowners%40yahoogroups.com>
>
> Subject: Honda Reflex Group oil drain plug
>
>
> Well, this is twice now I've had issues with this part. First one was it
> disintegrated on me tightening it a long time ago.
>
> Now, the head has rounded to the point the sockets won't work.
>
> I'm sure I'm not the only person this has happened to, as it's aluminum.
>
> So, what did the rest of you use to get this off if the socket and end
> wrench will no longer work?
>
> Vise grips? Solder something to it and sacrifice it later, etc.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Joe
>
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>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>

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1c.

Re: oil drain plug

Posted by: "brian_cirulnick" techrat@obsolyte.com   brian_cirulnick

Tue May 11, 2010 11:26 am (PDT)





--- In hondareflexowners@yahoogroups.com, Joe Barnhart <flaboye@...> wrote:
>
> I'll first try some vise grips but only once, as further damage to what's
> left of the head of this thing isn't in my best interest.
----------------

Score a groove in it with a grinder and then use a screwdriver. Sounds to me like you're over-tightening this bolt if you're having that much trouble getting it off. (or you're using cheap tools)

If you have access to a propane torch (like used for plumbing), heat up the bolt, that should make it easier to take off.

1d.

Re: oil drain plug

Posted by: "Ed Gaffney" eddyg66@live.com   eddyg999

Tue May 11, 2010 3:57 pm (PDT)




This is the same part Honda used as a valve adjustment inspection cap back in the sixties - I haven't rounded one in a while but in the past small vise grips worked fine

Ed

To: hondareflexowners@yahoogroups.com
From: flaboye@gmail.com
Date: Mon, 10 May 2010 18:22:57 -0400
Subject: Honda Reflex Group oil drain plug

Well, this is twice now I've had issues with this part. First one was it
disintegrated on me tightening it a long time ago.

Now, the head has rounded to the point the sockets won't work.

I'm sure I'm not the only person this has happened to, as it's aluminum.

So, what did the rest of you use to get this off if the socket and end
wrench will no longer work?

Vise grips? Solder something to it and sacrifice it later, etc.

Thanks,

Joe

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1e.

Re: oil drain plug

Posted by: "Michael" mbr987@comcast.net   bandito_two

Tue May 11, 2010 5:10 pm (PDT)



--- In hondareflexowners@yahoogroups.com, Joe Barnhart <flaboye@...> wrote:
>
> Well, this is twice now I've had issues with this part. First one was it
> disintegrated on me tightening it a long time ago.
>
> Now, the head has rounded to the point the sockets won't work.
>
> I'm sure I'm not the only person this has happened to, as it's aluminum.
>
> So, what did the rest of you use to get this off if the socket and end
> wrench will no longer work?
>
> Vise grips? Solder something to it and sacrifice it later, etc.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Joe
>
/ / / / / / / / / / / / / / / / / / / / / / / / / / / / / / / / / / /
Absolutely correct, no need to feel too bad about it, you're not the
only one by a long shot. Use whatever means you find best for you to
remove it following the suggestions offered. Though I would not
advise heating with a torch. Actually it may come off easier if you
run the engine a bit to warm it up first. And you will be replacing
it so gnashing it up a bit more is moot. BUT!! be very carefull to
not do any damage to the threads or flange surface on the crank case.
There is not much thread there to begin with and smooth threads and
flange face are essential to a leakproof seal. The torque spec is
relatively low. The plug does not need much tightening to seal. Be
mindful that you don't over tighten.

Mike B.

2a.

Brake noise

Posted by: "THO LE" leductho@yahoo.com   LEDUCTHO

Tue May 11, 2010 10:00 am (PDT)



Hi everyone,
 
When use the right hand brake, after I release the brake, I hear a noise from the brake and its disk.  What is cause the problem?  Should I replace the brake fluild?  My reflex is only 5500 miles but the brake pad only remain 2mm thickness and the front tire is almost gone to the minimum thickness.

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2b.

Re: Brake noise

Posted by: "TubaTim" phreadbarnz@gmail.com   phreadbarnz

Tue May 11, 2010 10:47 am (PDT)



The slight rubbing noise you hear is normal from the front brake. There is no way for the pads to be pushed back into the caliper other than friction and time.

HTH
TravlinTim (who should check his front brakes next service time) Hansen
phreadbarnz@gmail.com

--- In hondareflexowners@yahoogroups.com, THO LE <leductho@...> wrote:
>
> Hi everyone,
>  
> When use the right hand brake, after I release the brake, I hear a noise from the brake and its disk.  What is cause the problem?  Should I replace the brake fluild?  My reflex is only 5500 miles but the brake pad only remain 2mm thickness and the front tire is almost gone to the minimum thickness.
>
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>

3a.

Re: Tire pressure indicators - from the S/Wing forum

Posted by: "brian_cirulnick" techrat@obsolyte.com   brian_cirulnick

Tue May 11, 2010 11:12 am (PDT)





--- In hondareflexowners@yahoogroups.com, "freddhardeng" <imtlog@...> wrote:
>
> Needless to say, those damn pressure indicators have been removed from both the Reflex and S/Wing and a pressure gauge now hangs around the throttles that has to be removed to ride. Using the 'remove before flight' checklist idea.
>

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#1) Don't trust your life to anything sold at Walmart. Cheap chinese-made crap. If you're going to do that, sell me your Reflex, and you can buy the Chinese-made knock-off with brakes that fail after 1000 miles.

#2) I don't know if it's this group or another motorcycle group I'm on, but I've heard this story before -- turns out those "guages" that replace the valve-stem cover are made out of 100% pure, genuine garbage, and sooner or later the internals "pop out" from the air pressure, and there goes all your air... leaving you with a complete flat.

4.1.

Re: Reflex not starting up, help...

Posted by: "Carlos Moran" losmoran@bellsouth.net   losmoran@bellsouth.net

Tue May 11, 2010 1:34 pm (PDT)



Seafoam parts cleaner? I used that stuff to clean out the carbon build up on my car's EGR tube and it worked like magic. On my way to get it and then I'll try to see about the floatbowl draining (I can barely identify anything in there, (tight squeeze)) Do you have to remove any of the body panels to get to it?

Los.

-----Original Message-----
From: hondareflexowners@yahoogroups.com [mailto:hondareflexowners@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Joe Barnhart
Sent: Tuesday, May 11, 2010 4:50 AM
To: hondareflexowners@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: Honda Reflex Group Re: Reflex not starting up, help...

It'll get better! you may wish to put some seafoam treatment through it,
and suffer through the roughness and go ride it!

Seafoam will help remove the gunk buildups in the gas lines, including fuel
filter, carb, etc. It will also clean out the combustion chamber nicely.

On Tue, May 11, 2010 at 1:31 AM, BruceK <bruce@aplusservices.com> wrote:

>
>
> Yes - pull the spark plug and have a look at it - tan color on center
> (inside) insulator is desirable. Also helpful to crank the engine for 10
> seconds or so with the plug OUT.
>
> Also then connect the plug wire - lay the plug metal against some metal on
> the engine and crank the engine - check for a nice blue spark. DO NOT TOUCH
> THE PLUG while doing this or you will get zapped!
>
> There is a drain on the carb floatbowl - follow the clear plastic tube up
> from around the kickstand - there is a "screw valve" at the other end on the
> carb - back it out to drain the carb - drain it into a glass container if
> possible - to evaluate what comes out.
>
> Post back...
>
> Bruce
>
>
> --- In hondareflexowners@yahoogroups.com<hondareflexowners%40yahoogroups.com>,
> "Carlos Moran" <losmoran@...> wrote:
> >
> > Thank you Bruce. I got the Prestone prediluted 50/50.
> >
> > Well, I got it started following the a mixture of suggestions… I
> siphoned the old gas out, put fresh fuel, added about an ounce of STP octane
> booster, used Valvoline starter fluid which I sprayed while my wife started
> it. We attempted it about 9 times before it barely started but kept on a few
> more times and it started but runs terribly rough and shuts off easily if
> the throttle is left at idle. I’ll try again tomorrow any thoughts??? I
> suppose I should change the spark plug?
>
> >
> > Anyway, first I want to thank you all for the help I never would have
> gotten it started without your help.
> >
> >
> >
> > From: hondareflexowners@yahoogroups.com<hondareflexowners%40yahoogroups.com>[mailto:
> hondareflexowners@yahoogroups.com <hondareflexowners%40yahoogroups.com>]
> On Behalf Of BruceK
> > Sent: Monday, May 10, 2010 10:00 PM
> > To: hondareflexowners@yahoogroups.com<hondareflexowners%40yahoogroups.com>
> > Subject: Honda Reflex Group Re: Reflex not starting up, help...
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Reflex coolant has two ABSOLUTE requirements:
> >
> > 1. No silicates
> > 2. SPECIFIES for ALUMINUM engines (Reflex cylinder head is aluminum).
> >
> > Find a coolant (like some Prestones) with those two requirments and
> you're OK. DO NOT USE DEXCOOL.
> >
> > Hope that helps
> >
> > Bruce Koehler - the Koehlerizer
> > Santa Cruz, CA
> >
> > PS - my personal opinion is that as long as you use SHORT 1 - 2 second
> bursts of Starting Fluid, you have no risk of fire (especially since you are
> squirting it into the vent - not directly saturating the air filter). Also
> all STOCK (not K&N) air filters are extremely fire retardant.
> >
> > --- In hondareflexowners@yahoogroups.com<hondareflexowners%40yahoogroups.com><mailto:
> hondareflexowners%40yahoogroups.com<hondareflexowners%2540yahoogroups.com>>
> , "Carlos Moran" <losmoran@> wrote:
> > >
> > > Will do, Will baking soda work, or a real fire extinguisher? BTW, I
> just ordered a service manual from helm for 48 bucks in the meantime I need
> to know what type and mixture of coolant to use. The reservoir seems
> it’s way below the low mark.
>
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Thanks
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > From: hondareflexowners@yahoogroups.com<hondareflexowners%40yahoogroups.com><mailto:
> hondareflexowners%40yahoogroups.com<hondareflexowners%2540yahoogroups.com>>
> [mailto:hondareflexowners@yahoogroups.com<hondareflexowners%40yahoogroups.com><mailto:
> hondareflexowners%40yahoogroups.com<hondareflexowners%2540yahoogroups.com>>
> ] On Behalf Of Ira K
> > > Sent: Monday, May 10, 2010 3:49 PM
> > > To: hondareflexowners@yahoogroups.com<hondareflexowners%40yahoogroups.com><mailto:
> hondareflexowners%40yahoogroups.com<hondareflexowners%2540yahoogroups.com>>
>
> > > Subject: Re: Honda Reflex Group Re: Reflex not starting up, help...
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > It is also very dangerous. If the Reflex backfires, a fire will start
> in the air cleaner. Always keep a fire extinguisher handy when using
> starting fluid.
> > >
> > > --- On Mon, 5/10/10, BruceK <bruce@ <mailto:bruce%40aplusservices.com<bruce%2540aplusservices.com>>
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > From: BruceK <bruce@ <mailto:bruce%40aplusservices.com<bruce%2540aplusservices.com>>
> >
> > > Subject: Honda Reflex Group Re: Reflex not starting up, help...
> > > To: hondareflexowners@yahoogroups.com<hondareflexowners%40yahoogroups.com><mailto:
> hondareflexowners%40yahoogroups.com<hondareflexowners%2540yahoogroups.com>>
> <mailto:hondareflexowners%40yahoogroups.com<hondareflexowners%2540yahoogroups.com>>
>
> > > Date: Monday, May 10, 2010, 3:08 PM
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > There are two air inlets on the left side - above the passenger foot
> peg. The upper of those two is nearest air inlet to the air cleaner - the
> closest EXTERNAL POINT into which you can squirt starting fluid. It's vapors
> will be drawn into the engine when cranked...
> > >
> > > Starting Fluid is a "wonderful" low-cost troubleshooting tool, with
> which you can quickly identify whether a starting/running problem is fuel
> system related.
> > >
> > > Hope that helps
> > >
> > > Bruce Koehler - the Koehlerizer
> > >
> > > Santa Cruz, CA
> > >
> > > --- In hondareflexowners@ yahoogroups. com, "Carlos Moran" <losmoran@.> wrote:
> > >
> > > >
> > >
> > > > Bruce,
> > >
> > > >
> > >
> > > > Can you be a little more specific on number 2?
> > >
> > > >
> > >
> > > > There is a vent that has dual holes with a black plastic cover inside
> the
> > >
> > > > vent and there is the spark plug access vent with the little pressure
> clip?
> > >
> > > > Where do I spray the starting fluid?
> > >
> > > >
> > >
> > > > It's hard to see or figure out how to remove some of the panels to
> get a
> > >
> > > > better look at things.
> > >
> > > >
> > >
> > > >
> > >
> > > >
> > >
> > > > Thanks
> > >
> > > >
> > >
> > > >
> > >
> > > >
> > >
> > > > From: hondareflexowners@ yahoogroups. com
> > >
> > > > [mailto:hondareflexowners@ yahoogroups. com] On Behalf Of BruceK
> > >
> > > > Sent: Thursday, May 06, 2010 9:43 PM
> > >
> > > > To: hondareflexowners@ yahoogroups. com
> > >
> > > > Subject: Honda Reflex Group Re: Reflex not starting up, help...
> > >
> > > >
> > >
> > > >
> > >
> > > >
> > >
> > > >
> > >
> > > >
> > >
> > > > Each of these is an INDIVIDUAL action - try one before you move on to
> the
> > >
> > > > next:
> > >
> > > >
> > >
> > > > 1. JUMP start it - hook jumper cables to a NON-RUNNING car. The
> Reflex
> > >
> > > > ignition needs lots of volts - a low battery will not start it (and a
> > >
> > > > battery tender is only made to MAINTAIN the charge on an already OK
> > >
> > > > battery).
> > >
> > > >
> > >
> > > > 2. Spray some Starting Fluid in the upper "vent" above the footboard
> on the
> > >
> > > > kickstand-side of the scooter - try again.
> > >
> > > >
> > >
> > > > 3. Remove the little cover just in front of that vent, and remove and
> > >
> > > > inspect the sparkplug. While it is OUT, crank the engine and see if
> you
> > >
> > > > (hopefully) smell gas in the expelled air. Inspect the plug - clean
> or
> > >
> > > > change - as appropriate.
> > >
> > > >
> > >
> > > > Post back if you need more.
> > >
> > > > Post back anyway - with your results - that is the group
> "compensation" for
> > >
> > > > the free advice - so that all will benefit.
> > >
> > > >
> > >
> > > > Welcome to the group!
> > >
> > > >
> > >
> > > > Bruce Koehler
> > >
> > > >
> > >
> > > > --- In hondareflexowners@ yahoogroups. com
> > >
> > > > <mailto:hondareflex owners%40yahoogr oups.com> , "losmoran@"
> <losmoran@>
> > >
> > > > wrote:
> > >
> > > > >
> > >
> > > > > Hi All,
> > >
> > > > > I am a new member here, My wife owns a 2004 Reflex that has been
> sitting
> > >
> > > > for about 9-10 months and it will not start. I tried starting it last
> week
> > >
> > > > and trhe battery was very week... I ordered a battery tender and the
> battery
> > >
> > > > charged fine but after three or four attempts at starting it began to
> get
> > >
> > > > week... I'm hoping for some guidance in stating it. The engine and
> fuel
> > >
> > > > lines are difficult to get to and before I ventured into taking it
> apart to
> > >
> > > > maybe try some starting fluid I thought I'd check here... Any
> suggestions
> > >
> > > > other than the mechanic?
> > >
> > > > >
> > >
> > > > > Thank you
> > >
> > > > > Los.
> > >
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> > >
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4.2.

Re: Reflex not starting up, help...

Posted by: "Joe Barnhart" flaboye@gmail.com   jtbgnsv

Tue May 11, 2010 1:39 pm (PDT)



Try a "double" recommended dose for the gallons of gas in the tank right
now, and run it through, you may find the seafoam cleans it all up for you
without having to do another single thing! It's done it for me on a reflex
and a silverwing, both of which had sat for years!

Wth the float bowl, sorry I've never done one.

Joe

On Tue, May 11, 2010 at 4:34 PM, Carlos Moran <losmoran@bellsouth.net>wrote:

>
>
> Seafoam parts cleaner? I used that stuff to clean out the carbon build up
> on my car's EGR tube and it worked like magic. On my way to get it and then
> I'll try to see about the floatbowl draining (I can barely identify anything
> in there, (tight squeeze)) Do you have to remove any of the body panels to
> get to it?
>
> Los.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: hondareflexowners@yahoogroups.com<hondareflexowners%40yahoogroups.com>[mailto:
> hondareflexowners@yahoogroups.com <hondareflexowners%40yahoogroups.com>]
> On Behalf Of Joe Barnhart
> Sent: Tuesday, May 11, 2010 4:50 AM
> To: hondareflexowners@yahoogroups.com<hondareflexowners%40yahoogroups.com>
> Subject: Re: Honda Reflex Group Re: Reflex not starting up, help...
>
> It'll get better! you may wish to put some seafoam treatment through it,
> and suffer through the roughness and go ride it!
>
> Seafoam will help remove the gunk buildups in the gas lines, including fuel
> filter, carb, etc. It will also clean out the combustion chamber nicely.
>
> On Tue, May 11, 2010 at 1:31 AM, BruceK <bruce@aplusservices.com<bruce%40aplusservices.com>>
> wrote:
>
> >
> >
> > Yes - pull the spark plug and have a look at it - tan color on center
> > (inside) insulator is desirable. Also helpful to crank the engine for 10
> > seconds or so with the plug OUT.
> >
> > Also then connect the plug wire - lay the plug metal against some metal
> on
> > the engine and crank the engine - check for a nice blue spark. DO NOT
> TOUCH
> > THE PLUG while doing this or you will get zapped!
> >
> > There is a drain on the carb floatbowl - follow the clear plastic tube up
> > from around the kickstand - there is a "screw valve" at the other end on
> the
> > carb - back it out to drain the carb - drain it into a glass container if
> > possible - to evaluate what comes out.
> >
> > Post back...
> >
> > Bruce
> >
> >
> > --- In hondareflexowners@yahoogroups.com<hondareflexowners%40yahoogroups.com>
> <hondareflexowners%40yahoogroups.com>,
>
> > "Carlos Moran" <losmoran@...> wrote:
> > >
> > > Thank you Bruce. I got the Prestone prediluted 50/50.
> > >
> > > Well, I got it started following the a mixture of suggestions… I
> > siphoned the old gas out, put fresh fuel, added about an ounce of STP
> octane
> > booster, used Valvoline starter fluid which I sprayed while my wife
> started
> > it. We attempted it about 9 times before it barely started but kept on a
> few
> > more times and it started but runs terribly rough and shuts off easily if
> > the throttle is left at idle. I’ll try again tomorrow any thoughts??? I
> > suppose I should change the spark plug?
> >
> > >
> > > Anyway, first I want to thank you all for the help I never would have
> > gotten it started without your help.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > From: hondareflexowners@yahoogroups.com<hondareflexowners%40yahoogroups.com>
> <hondareflexowners%40yahoogroups.com>[mailto:
> > hondareflexowners@yahoogroups.com <hondareflexowners%40yahoogroups.com><hondareflexowners%
> 40yahoogroups.com>]
>
> > On Behalf Of BruceK
> > > Sent: Monday, May 10, 2010 10:00 PM
> > > To: hondareflexowners@yahoogroups.com<hondareflexowners%40yahoogroups.com>
> <hondareflexowners%40yahoogroups.com>
>
> > > Subject: Honda Reflex Group Re: Reflex not starting up, help...
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Reflex coolant has two ABSOLUTE requirements:
> > >
> > > 1. No silicates
> > > 2. SPECIFIES for ALUMINUM engines (Reflex cylinder head is aluminum).
> > >
> > > Find a coolant (like some Prestones) with those two requirments and
> > you're OK. DO NOT USE DEXCOOL.
> > >
> > > Hope that helps
> > >
> > > Bruce Koehler - the Koehlerizer
> > > Santa Cruz, CA
> > >
> > > PS - my personal opinion is that as long as you use SHORT 1 - 2 second
> > bursts of Starting Fluid, you have no risk of fire (especially since you
> are
> > squirting it into the vent - not directly saturating the air filter).
> Also
> > all STOCK (not K&N) air filters are extremely fire retardant.
> > >
> > > --- In hondareflexowners@yahoogroups.com<hondareflexowners%40yahoogroups.com>
> <hondareflexowners%40yahoogroups.com><mailto:
> > hondareflexowners%40yahoogroups.com<hondareflexowners%
> 2540yahoogroups.com>>
>
> > , "Carlos Moran" <losmoran@> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Will do, Will baking soda work, or a real fire extinguisher? BTW, I
> > just ordered a service manual from helm for 48 bucks in the meantime I
> need
> > to know what type and mixture of coolant to use. The reservoir seems
> > it’s way below the low mark.
> >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Thanks
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > From: hondareflexowners@yahoogroups.com<hondareflexowners%40yahoogroups.com>
> <hondareflexowners%40yahoogroups.com><mailto:
> > hondareflexowners%40yahoogroups.com<hondareflexowners%
> 2540yahoogroups.com>>
> > [mailto:hondareflexowners@yahoogroups.com<hondareflexowners%40yahoogroups.com>
> <hondareflexowners%40yahoogroups.com><mailto:
> > hondareflexowners%40yahoogroups.com<hondareflexowners%
> 2540yahoogroups.com>>
>
> > ] On Behalf Of Ira K
> > > > Sent: Monday, May 10, 2010 3:49 PM
> > > > To: hondareflexowners@yahoogroups.com<hondareflexowners%40yahoogroups.com>
> <hondareflexowners%40yahoogroups.com><mailto:
> > hondareflexowners%40yahoogroups.com<hondareflexowners%
> 2540yahoogroups.com>>
>
> >
> > > > Subject: Re: Honda Reflex Group Re: Reflex not starting up, help...
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > It is also very dangerous. If the Reflex backfires, a fire will start
> > in the air cleaner. Always keep a fire extinguisher handy when using
> > starting fluid.
> > > >
> > > > --- On Mon, 5/10/10, BruceK <bruce@ <mailto:
> bruce%40aplusservices.com <bruce%2540aplusservices.com><bruce%
> 2540aplusservices.com>>
> > > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > From: BruceK <bruce@ <mailto:bruce%40aplusservices.com<bruce%2540aplusservices.com>
> <bruce%2540aplusservices.com>>
>
> > >
> > > > Subject: Honda Reflex Group Re: Reflex not starting up, help...
> > > > To: hondareflexowners@yahoogroups.com<hondareflexowners%40yahoogroups.com>
> <hondareflexowners%40yahoogroups.com><mailto:
> > hondareflexowners%40yahoogroups.com<hondareflexowners%
> 2540yahoogroups.com>>
> > <mailto:hondareflexowners%40yahoogroups.com<hondareflexowners%2540yahoogroups.com>
> <hondareflexowners%2540yahoogroups.com>>
>
> >
> > > > Date: Monday, May 10, 2010, 3:08 PM
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > There are two air inlets on the left side - above the passenger foot
> > peg. The upper of those two is nearest air inlet to the air cleaner - the
> > closest EXTERNAL POINT into which you can squirt starting fluid. It's
> vapors
> > will be drawn into the engine when cranked...
> > > >
> > > > Starting Fluid is a "wonderful" low-cost troubleshooting tool, with
> > which you can quickly identify whether a starting/running problem is fuel
> > system related.
> > > >
> > > > Hope that helps
> > > >
> > > > Bruce Koehler - the Koehlerizer
> > > >
> > > > Santa Cruz, CA
> > > >
> > > > --- In hondareflexowners@ yahoogroups. com, "Carlos Moran"
> <losmoran@.> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > > > Bruce,
> > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > > > Can you be a little more specific on number 2?
> > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > > > There is a vent that has dual holes with a black plastic cover
> inside
> > the
> > > >
> > > > > vent and there is the spark plug access vent with the little
> pressure
> > clip?
> > > >
> > > > > Where do I spray the starting fluid?
> > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > > > It's hard to see or figure out how to remove some of the panels to
> > get a
> > > >
> > > > > better look at things.
> > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > > > Thanks
> > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > > > From: hondareflexowners@ yahoogroups. com
> > > >
> > > > > [mailto:hondareflexowners@ yahoogroups. com] On Behalf Of BruceK
> > > >
> > > > > Sent: Thursday, May 06, 2010 9:43 PM
> > > >
> > > > > To: hondareflexowners@ yahoogroups. com
> > > >
> > > > > Subject: Honda Reflex Group Re: Reflex not starting up, help...
> > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > > > Each of these is an INDIVIDUAL action - try one before you move on
> to
> > the
> > > >
> > > > > next:
> > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > > > 1. JUMP start it - hook jumper cables to a NON-RUNNING car. The
> > Reflex
> > > >
> > > > > ignition needs lots of volts - a low battery will not start it (and
> a
> > > >
> > > > > battery tender is only made to MAINTAIN the charge on an already OK
> > > >
> > > > > battery).
> > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > > > 2. Spray some Starting Fluid in the upper "vent" above the
> footboard
> > on the
> > > >
> > > > > kickstand-side of the scooter - try again.
> > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > > > 3. Remove the little cover just in front of that vent, and remove
> and
> > > >
> > > > > inspect the sparkplug. While it is OUT, crank the engine and see if
> > you
> > > >
> > > > > (hopefully) smell gas in the expelled air. Inspect the plug - clean
> > or
> > > >
> > > > > change - as appropriate.
> > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > > > Post back if you need more.
> > > >
> > > > > Post back anyway - with your results - that is the group
> > "compensation" for
> > > >
> > > > > the free advice - so that all will benefit.
> > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > > > Welcome to the group!
> > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > > > Bruce Koehler
> > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > > > --- In hondareflexowners@ yahoogroups. com
> > > >
> > > > > <mailto:hondareflex owners%40yahoogr oups.com> , "losmoran@"
> > <losmoran@>
> > > >
> > > > > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > >
> > > >
> > > > > > Hi All,
> > > >
> > > > > > I am a new member here, My wife owns a 2004 Reflex that has been
> > sitting
> > > >
> > > > > for about 9-10 months and it will not start. I tried starting it
> last
> > week
> > > >
> > > > > and trhe battery was very week... I ordered a battery tender and
> the
> > battery
> > > >
> > > > > charged fine but after three or four attempts at starting it began
> to
> > get
> > > >
> > > > > week... I'm hoping for some guidance in stating it. The engine and
> > fuel
> > > >
> > > > > lines are difficult to get to and before I ventured into taking it
> > apart to
> > > >
> > > > > maybe try some starting fluid I thought I'd check here... Any
> > suggestions
> > > >
> > > > > other than the mechanic?
> > > >
> > > > > >
> > > >
> > > > > > Thank you
> > > >
> > > > > > Los.
> > > >
> > > > > >
> > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> > >
> >
> >
> >
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
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4.3.

Re: Reflex not starting up, help...

Posted by: "Jonathan Vaughn" spotchicus@yahoo.com   spotchicus

Tue May 11, 2010 1:45 pm (PDT)



Is there any possibility that seafoam could hurt the engine?

Jon

________________________________
From: Joe Barnhart <flaboye@gmail.com>
To: hondareflexowners@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tue, May 11, 2010 4:38:27 PM
Subject: Re: Honda Reflex Group Re: Reflex not starting up, help...

Try a "double" recommended dose for the gallons of gas in the tank right
now, and run it through, you may find the seafoam cleans it all up for you
without having to do another single thing! It's done it for me on a reflex
and a silverwing, both of which had sat for years!

Wth the float bowl, sorry I've never done one.

Joe

On Tue, May 11, 2010 at 4:34 PM, Carlos Moran <losmoran@bellsouth.net>wrote:

>
>
> Seafoam parts cleaner? I used that stuff to clean out the carbon build up
> on my car's EGR tube and it worked like magic. On my way to get it and then
> I'll try to see about the floatbowl draining (I can barely identify anything
> in there, (tight squeeze)) Do you have to remove any of the body panels to
> get to it?
>
> Los.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: hondareflexowners@yahoogroups.com<hondareflexowners%40yahoogroups.com>[mailto:
> hondareflexowners@yahoogroups.com <hondareflexowners%40yahoogroups.com>]
> On Behalf Of Joe Barnhart
> Sent: Tuesday, May 11, 2010 4:50 AM
> To: hondareflexowners@yahoogroups.com<hondareflexowners%40yahoogroups.com>
> Subject: Re: Honda Reflex Group Re: Reflex not starting up, help...
>
> It'll get better! you may wish to put some seafoam treatment through it,
> and suffer through the roughness and go ride it!
>
> Seafoam will help remove the gunk buildups in the gas lines, including fuel
> filter, carb, etc. It will also clean out the combustion chamber nicely.
>
> On Tue, May 11, 2010 at 1:31 AM, BruceK <bruce@aplusservices.com<bruce%40aplusservices.com>>
> wrote:
>
> >
> >
> > Yes - pull the spark plug and have a look at it - tan color on center
> > (inside) insulator is desirable. Also helpful to crank the engine for 10
> > seconds or so with the plug OUT.
> >
> > Also then connect the plug wire - lay the plug metal against some metal
> on
> > the engine and crank the engine - check for a nice blue spark. DO NOT
> TOUCH
> > THE PLUG while doing this or you will get zapped!
> >
> > There is a drain on the carb floatbowl - follow the clear plastic tube up
> > from around the kickstand - there is a "screw valve" at the other end on
> the
> > carb - back it out to drain the carb - drain it into a glass container if
> > possible - to evaluate what comes out.
> >
> > Post back...
> >
> > Bruce
> >
> >
> > --- In hondareflexowners@yahoogroups.com<hondareflexowners%40yahoogroups.com>
> <hondareflexowners%40yahoogroups.com>,
>
> > "Carlos Moran" <losmoran@...> wrote:
> > >
> > > Thank you Bruce. I got the Prestone prediluted 50/50.
> > >
> > > Well, I got it started following the a mixture of suggestions… I
> > siphoned the old gas out, put fresh fuel, added about an ounce of STP
> octane
> > booster, used Valvoline starter fluid which I sprayed while my wife
> started
> > it. We attempted it about 9 times before it barely started but kept on a
> few
> > more times and it started but runs terribly rough and shuts off easily if
> > the throttle is left at idle. I’ll try again tomorrow any thoughts??? I
> > suppose I should change the spark plug?
> >
> > >
> > > Anyway, first I want to thank you all for the help I never would have
> > gotten it started without your help.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > From: hondareflexowners@yahoogroups.com<hondareflexowners%40yahoogroups.com>
> <hondareflexowners%40yahoogroups.com>[mailto:
> > hondareflexowners@yahoogroups.com <hondareflexowners%40yahoogroups.com><hondareflexowners%
> 40yahoogroups.com>]
>
> > On Behalf Of BruceK
> > > Sent: Monday, May 10, 2010 10:00 PM
> > > To: hondareflexowners@yahoogroups.com<hondareflexowners%40yahoogroups.com>
> <hondareflexowners%40yahoogroups.com>
>
> > > Subject: Honda Reflex Group Re: Reflex not starting up, help...
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Reflex coolant has two ABSOLUTE requirements:
> > >
> > > 1. No silicates
> > > 2. SPECIFIES for ALUMINUM engines (Reflex cylinder head is aluminum).
> > >
> > > Find a coolant (like some Prestones) with those two requirments and
> > you're OK. DO NOT USE DEXCOOL.
> > >
> > > Hope that helps
> > >
> > > Bruce Koehler - the Koehlerizer
> > > Santa Cruz, CA
> > >
> > > PS - my personal opinion is that as long as you use SHORT 1 - 2 second
> > bursts of Starting Fluid, you have no risk of fire (especially since you
> are
> > squirting it into the vent - not directly saturating the air filter).
> Also
> > all STOCK (not K&N) air filters are extremely fire retardant.
> > >
> > > --- In hondareflexowners@yahoogroups.com<hondareflexowners%40yahoogroups.com>
> <hondareflexowners%40yahoogroups.com><mailto:
> > hondareflexowners%40yahoogroups.com<hondareflexowners%
> 2540yahoogroups.com>>
>
> > , "Carlos Moran" <losmoran@> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Will do, Will baking soda work, or a real fire extinguisher? BTW, I
> > just ordered a service manual from helm for 48 bucks in the meantime I
> need
> > to know what type and mixture of coolant to use. The reservoir seems
> > it’s way below the low mark.
> >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Thanks
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > From: hondareflexowners@yahoogroups.com<hondareflexowners%40yahoogroups.com>
> <hondareflexowners%40yahoogroups.com><mailto:
> > hondareflexowners%40yahoogroups.com<hondareflexowners%
> 2540yahoogroups.com>>
> > [mailto:hondareflexowners@yahoogroups.com<hondareflexowners%40yahoogroups.com>
> <hondareflexowners%40yahoogroups.com><mailto:
> > hondareflexowners%40yahoogroups.com<hondareflexowners%
> 2540yahoogroups.com>>
>
> > ] On Behalf Of Ira K
> > > > Sent: Monday, May 10, 2010 3:49 PM
> > > > To: hondareflexowners@yahoogroups.com<hondareflexowners%40yahoogroups.com>
> <hondareflexowners%40yahoogroups.com><mailto:
> > hondareflexowners%40yahoogroups.com<hondareflexowners%
> 2540yahoogroups.com>>
>
> >
> > > > Subject: Re: Honda Reflex Group Re: Reflex not starting up, help...
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > It is also very dangerous. If the Reflex backfires, a fire will start
> > in the air cleaner. Always keep a fire extinguisher handy when using
> > starting fluid.
> > > >
> > > > --- On Mon, 5/10/10, BruceK <bruce@ <mailto:
> bruce%40aplusservices.com <bruce%2540aplusservices.com><bruce%
> 2540aplusservices.com>>
> > > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > From: BruceK <bruce@ <mailto:bruce%40aplusservices.com<bruce%2540aplusservices.com>
> <bruce%2540aplusservices.com>>
>
> > >
> > > > Subject: Honda Reflex Group Re: Reflex not starting up, help...
> > > > To: hondareflexowners@yahoogroups.com<hondareflexowners%40yahoogroups.com>
> <hondareflexowners%40yahoogroups.com><mailto:
> > hondareflexowners%40yahoogroups.com<hondareflexowners%
> 2540yahoogroups.com>>
> > <mailto:hondareflexowners%40yahoogroups.com<hondareflexowners%2540yahoogroups.com>
> <hondareflexowners%2540yahoogroups.com>>
>
> >
> > > > Date: Monday, May 10, 2010, 3:08 PM
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > There are two air inlets on the left side - above the passenger foot
> > peg. The upper of those two is nearest air inlet to the air cleaner - the
> > closest EXTERNAL POINT into which you can squirt starting fluid. It's
> vapors
> > will be drawn into the engine when cranked...
> > > >
> > > > Starting Fluid is a "wonderful" low-cost troubleshooting tool, with
> > which you can quickly identify whether a starting/running problem is fuel
> > system related.
> > > >
> > > > Hope that helps
> > > >
> > > > Bruce Koehler - the Koehlerizer
> > > >
> > > > Santa Cruz, CA
> > > >
> > > > --- In hondareflexowners@ yahoogroups. com, "Carlos Moran"
> <losmoran@.> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > > > Bruce,
> > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > > > Can you be a little more specific on number 2?
> > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > > > There is a vent that has dual holes with a black plastic cover
> inside
> > the
> > > >
> > > > > vent and there is the spark plug access vent with the little
> pressure
> > clip?
> > > >
> > > > > Where do I spray the starting fluid?
> > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > > > It's hard to see or figure out how to remove some of the panels to
> > get a
> > > >
> > > > > better look at things.
> > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > > > Thanks
> > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > > > From: hondareflexowners@ yahoogroups. com
> > > >
> > > > > [mailto:hondareflexowners@ yahoogroups. com] On Behalf Of BruceK
> > > >
> > > > > Sent: Thursday, May 06, 2010 9:43 PM
> > > >
> > > > > To: hondareflexowners@ yahoogroups. com
> > > >
> > > > > Subject: Honda Reflex Group Re: Reflex not starting up, help...
> > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > > > Each of these is an INDIVIDUAL action - try one before you move on
> to
> > the
> > > >
> > > > > next:
> > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > > > 1. JUMP start it - hook jumper cables to a NON-RUNNING car. The
> > Reflex
> > > >
> > > > > ignition needs lots of volts - a low battery will not start it (and
> a
> > > >
> > > > > battery tender is only made to MAINTAIN the charge on an already OK
> > > >
> > > > > battery).
> > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > > > 2. Spray some Starting Fluid in the upper "vent" above the
> footboard
> > on the
> > > >
> > > > > kickstand-side of the scooter - try again.
> > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > > > 3. Remove the little cover just in front of that vent, and remove
> and
> > > >
> > > > > inspect the sparkplug. While it is OUT, crank the engine and see if
> > you
> > > >
> > > > > (hopefully) smell gas in the expelled air. Inspect the plug - clean
> > or
> > > >
> > > > > change - as appropriate.
> > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > > > Post back if you need more.
> > > >
> > > > > Post back anyway - with your results - that is the group
> > "compensation" for
> > > >
> > > > > the free advice - so that all will benefit.
> > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > > > Welcome to the group!
> > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > > > Bruce Koehler
> > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > > > --- In hondareflexowners@ yahoogroups. com
> > > >
> > > > > <mailto:hondareflex owners%40yahoogr oups.com> , "losmoran@"
> > <losmoran@>
> > > >
> > > > > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > >
> > > >
> > > > > > Hi All,
> > > >
> > > > > > I am a new member here, My wife owns a 2004 Reflex that has been
> > sitting
> > > >
> > > > > for about 9-10 months and it will not start. I tried starting it
> last
> > week
> > > >
> > > > > and trhe battery was very week... I ordered a battery tender and
> the
> > battery
> > > >
> > > > > charged fine but after three or four attempts at starting it began
> to
> > get
> > > >
> > > > > week... I'm hoping for some guidance in stating it. The engine and
> > fuel
> > > >
> > > > > lines are difficult to get to and before I ventured into taking it
> > apart to
> > > >
> > > > > maybe try some starting fluid I thought I'd check here... Any
> > suggestions
> > > >
> > > > > other than the mechanic?
> > > >
> > > > > >
> > > >
> > > > > > Thank you
> > > >
> > > > > > Los.
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4.4.

Re: Reflex not starting up, help...

Posted by: "Carlos Moran" losmoran@bellsouth.net   losmoran@bellsouth.net

Tue May 11, 2010 1:50 pm (PDT)



Just got back... got Seafoam motor treatment . Will post back

Txs

-----Original Message-----
From: hondareflexowners@yahoogroups.com [mailto:hondareflexowners@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Joe Barnhart
Sent: Tuesday, May 11, 2010 4:38 PM
To: hondareflexowners@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: Honda Reflex Group Re: Reflex not starting up, help...

Try a "double" recommended dose for the gallons of gas in the tank right
now, and run it through, you may find the seafoam cleans it all up for you
without having to do another single thing! It's done it for me on a reflex
and a silverwing, both of which had sat for years!

Wth the float bowl, sorry I've never done one.

Joe

On Tue, May 11, 2010 at 4:34 PM, Carlos Moran <losmoran@bellsouth.net>wrote:

>
>
> Seafoam parts cleaner? I used that stuff to clean out the carbon build up
> on my car's EGR tube and it worked like magic. On my way to get it and then
> I'll try to see about the floatbowl draining (I can barely identify anything
> in there, (tight squeeze)) Do you have to remove any of the body panels to
> get to it?
>
> Los.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: hondareflexowners@yahoogroups.com<hondareflexowners%40yahoogroups.com>[mailto:
> hondareflexowners@yahoogroups.com <hondareflexowners%40yahoogroups.com>]
> On Behalf Of Joe Barnhart
> Sent: Tuesday, May 11, 2010 4:50 AM
> To: hondareflexowners@yahoogroups.com<hondareflexowners%40yahoogroups.com>
> Subject: Re: Honda Reflex Group Re: Reflex not starting up, help...
>
> It'll get better! you may wish to put some seafoam treatment through it,
> and suffer through the roughness and go ride it!
>
> Seafoam will help remove the gunk buildups in the gas lines, including fuel
> filter, carb, etc. It will also clean out the combustion chamber nicely.
>
> On Tue, May 11, 2010 at 1:31 AM, BruceK <bruce@aplusservices.com<bruce%40aplusservices.com>>
> wrote:
>
> >
> >
> > Yes - pull the spark plug and have a look at it - tan color on center
> > (inside) insulator is desirable. Also helpful to crank the engine for 10
> > seconds or so with the plug OUT.
> >
> > Also then connect the plug wire - lay the plug metal against some metal
> on
> > the engine and crank the engine - check for a nice blue spark. DO NOT
> TOUCH
> > THE PLUG while doing this or you will get zapped!
> >
> > There is a drain on the carb floatbowl - follow the clear plastic tube up
> > from around the kickstand - there is a "screw valve" at the other end on
> the
> > carb - back it out to drain the carb - drain it into a glass container if
> > possible - to evaluate what comes out.
> >
> > Post back...
> >
> > Bruce
> >
> >
> > --- In hondareflexowners@yahoogroups.com<hondareflexowners%40yahoogroups.com>
> <hondareflexowners%40yahoogroups.com>,
>
> > "Carlos Moran" <losmoran@...> wrote:
> > >
> > > Thank you Bruce. I got the Prestone prediluted 50/50.
> > >
> > > Well, I got it started following the a mixture of suggestions… I
> > siphoned the old gas out, put fresh fuel, added about an ounce of STP
> octane
> > booster, used Valvoline starter fluid which I sprayed while my wife
> started
> > it. We attempted it about 9 times before it barely started but kept on a
> few
> > more times and it started but runs terribly rough and shuts off easily if
> > the throttle is left at idle. I’ll try again tomorrow any thoughts??? I
> > suppose I should change the spark plug?
> >
> > >
> > > Anyway, first I want to thank you all for the help I never would have
> > gotten it started without your help.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > From: hondareflexowners@yahoogroups.com<hondareflexowners%40yahoogroups.com>
> <hondareflexowners%40yahoogroups.com>[mailto:
> > hondareflexowners@yahoogroups.com <hondareflexowners%40yahoogroups.com><hondareflexowners%
> 40yahoogroups.com>]
>
> > On Behalf Of BruceK
> > > Sent: Monday, May 10, 2010 10:00 PM
> > > To: hondareflexowners@yahoogroups.com<hondareflexowners%40yahoogroups.com>
> <hondareflexowners%40yahoogroups.com>
>
> > > Subject: Honda Reflex Group Re: Reflex not starting up, help...
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Reflex coolant has two ABSOLUTE requirements:
> > >
> > > 1. No silicates
> > > 2. SPECIFIES for ALUMINUM engines (Reflex cylinder head is aluminum).
> > >
> > > Find a coolant (like some Prestones) with those two requirments and
> > you're OK. DO NOT USE DEXCOOL.
> > >
> > > Hope that helps
> > >
> > > Bruce Koehler - the Koehlerizer
> > > Santa Cruz, CA
> > >
> > > PS - my personal opinion is that as long as you use SHORT 1 - 2 second
> > bursts of Starting Fluid, you have no risk of fire (especially since you
> are
> > squirting it into the vent - not directly saturating the air filter).
> Also
> > all STOCK (not K&N) air filters are extremely fire retardant.
> > >
> > > --- In hondareflexowners@yahoogroups.com<hondareflexowners%40yahoogroups.com>
> <hondareflexowners%40yahoogroups.com><mailto:
> > hondareflexowners%40yahoogroups.com<hondareflexowners%
> 2540yahoogroups.com>>
>
> > , "Carlos Moran" <losmoran@> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Will do, Will baking soda work, or a real fire extinguisher? BTW, I
> > just ordered a service manual from helm for 48 bucks in the meantime I
> need
> > to know what type and mixture of coolant to use. The reservoir seems
> > it’s way below the low mark.
> >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Thanks
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > From: hondareflexowners@yahoogroups.com<hondareflexowners%40yahoogroups.com>
> <hondareflexowners%40yahoogroups.com><mailto:
> > hondareflexowners%40yahoogroups.com<hondareflexowners%
> 2540yahoogroups.com>>
> > [mailto:hondareflexowners@yahoogroups.com<hondareflexowners%40yahoogroups.com>
> <hondareflexowners%40yahoogroups.com><mailto:
> > hondareflexowners%40yahoogroups.com<hondareflexowners%
> 2540yahoogroups.com>>
>
> > ] On Behalf Of Ira K
> > > > Sent: Monday, May 10, 2010 3:49 PM
> > > > To: hondareflexowners@yahoogroups.com<hondareflexowners%40yahoogroups.com>
> <hondareflexowners%40yahoogroups.com><mailto:
> > hondareflexowners%40yahoogroups.com<hondareflexowners%
> 2540yahoogroups.com>>
>
> >
> > > > Subject: Re: Honda Reflex Group Re: Reflex not starting up, help...
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > It is also very dangerous. If the Reflex backfires, a fire will start
> > in the air cleaner. Always keep a fire extinguisher handy when using
> > starting fluid.
> > > >
> > > > --- On Mon, 5/10/10, BruceK <bruce@ <mailto:
> bruce%40aplusservices.com <bruce%2540aplusservices.com><bruce%
> 2540aplusservices.com>>
> > > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > From: BruceK <bruce@ <mailto:bruce%40aplusservices.com<bruce%2540aplusservices.com>
> <bruce%2540aplusservices.com>>
>
> > >
> > > > Subject: Honda Reflex Group Re: Reflex not starting up, help...
> > > > To: hondareflexowners@yahoogroups.com<hondareflexowners%40yahoogroups.com>
> <hondareflexowners%40yahoogroups.com><mailto:
> > hondareflexowners%40yahoogroups.com<hondareflexowners%
> 2540yahoogroups.com>>
> > <mailto:hondareflexowners%40yahoogroups.com<hondareflexowners%2540yahoogroups.com>
> <hondareflexowners%2540yahoogroups.com>>
>
> >
> > > > Date: Monday, May 10, 2010, 3:08 PM
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > There are two air inlets on the left side - above the passenger foot
> > peg. The upper of those two is nearest air inlet to the air cleaner - the
> > closest EXTERNAL POINT into which you can squirt starting fluid. It's
> vapors
> > will be drawn into the engine when cranked...
> > > >
> > > > Starting Fluid is a "wonderful" low-cost troubleshooting tool, with
> > which you can quickly identify whether a starting/running problem is fuel
> > system related.
> > > >
> > > > Hope that helps
> > > >
> > > > Bruce Koehler - the Koehlerizer
> > > >
> > > > Santa Cruz, CA
> > > >
> > > > --- In hondareflexowners@ yahoogroups. com, "Carlos Moran"
> <losmoran@.> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > > > Bruce,
> > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > > > Can you be a little more specific on number 2?
> > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > > > There is a vent that has dual holes with a black plastic cover
> inside
> > the
> > > >
> > > > > vent and there is the spark plug access vent with the little
> pressure
> > clip?
> > > >
> > > > > Where do I spray the starting fluid?
> > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > > > It's hard to see or figure out how to remove some of the panels to
> > get a
> > > >
> > > > > better look at things.
> > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > > > Thanks
> > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > > > From: hondareflexowners@ yahoogroups. com
> > > >
> > > > > [mailto:hondareflexowners@ yahoogroups. com] On Behalf Of BruceK
> > > >
> > > > > Sent: Thursday, May 06, 2010 9:43 PM
> > > >
> > > > > To: hondareflexowners@ yahoogroups. com
> > > >
> > > > > Subject: Honda Reflex Group Re: Reflex not starting up, help...
> > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > > > Each of these is an INDIVIDUAL action - try one before you move on
> to
> > the
> > > >
> > > > > next:
> > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > > > 1. JUMP start it - hook jumper cables to a NON-RUNNING car. The
> > Reflex
> > > >
> > > > > ignition needs lots of volts - a low battery will not start it (and
> a
> > > >
> > > > > battery tender is only made to MAINTAIN the charge on an already OK
> > > >
> > > > > battery).
> > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > > > 2. Spray some Starting Fluid in the upper "vent" above the
> footboard
> > on the
> > > >
> > > > > kickstand-side of the scooter - try again.
> > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > > > 3. Remove the little cover just in front of that vent, and remove
> and
> > > >
> > > > > inspect the sparkplug. While it is OUT, crank the engine and see if
> > you
> > > >
> > > > > (hopefully) smell gas in the expelled air. Inspect the plug - clean
> > or
> > > >
> > > > > change - as appropriate.
> > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > > > Post back if you need more.
> > > >
> > > > > Post back anyway - with your results - that is the group
> > "compensation" for
> > > >
> > > > > the free advice - so that all will benefit.
> > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > > > Welcome to the group!
> > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > > > Bruce Koehler
> > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > > > --- In hondareflexowners@ yahoogroups. com
> > > >
> > > > > <mailto:hondareflex owners%40yahoogr oups.com> , "losmoran@"
> > <losmoran@>
> > > >
> > > > > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > >
> > > >
> > > > > > Hi All,
> > > >
> > > > > > I am a new member here, My wife owns a 2004 Reflex that has been
> > sitting
> > > >
> > > > > for about 9-10 months and it will not start. I tried starting it
> last
> > week
> > > >
> > > > > and trhe battery was very week... I ordered a battery tender and
> the
> > battery
> > > >
> > > > > charged fine but after three or four attempts at starting it began
> to
> > get
> > > >
> > > > > week... I'm hoping for some guidance in stating it. The engine and
> > fuel
> > > >
> > > > > lines are difficult to get to and before I ventured into taking it
> > apart to
> > > >
> > > > > maybe try some starting fluid I thought I'd check here... Any
> > suggestions
> > > >
> > > > > other than the mechanic?
> > > >
> > > > > >
> > > >
> > > > > > Thank you
> > > >
> > > > > > Los.
> > > >
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4.5.

Re: Reflex not starting up, help...

Posted by: "Joe Barnhart" flaboye@gmail.com   jtbgnsv

Tue May 11, 2010 1:52 pm (PDT)



I've never heard of it hurting any engines.

I wouldn't put it in the crankcase (oil) though although appraently you can
as long as you flush it out rather quickly and put fresh oil in.

But using it in the gas? Nah, you aren't going to hurt the engine.

Take care,

Joe
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> Is there any possibility that seafoam could hurt the engine?
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4.6.

Re: Reflex not starting up, help...

Posted by: "Carlos Moran" losmoran@bellsouth.net   losmoran@bellsouth.net

Tue May 11, 2010 3:44 pm (PDT)



" There is a drain on the carb floatbowl - follow the clear plastic tube up
from around the kickstand - there is a "screw valve" at the other end on
the carb - back it out to drain the carb - drain it into a glass container if
possible - to evaluate what comes out."

Txs you guys!

So I ended up putting a double dose of Seafoam Motor Treatment rather than the standard 1oz per gallon. Started it, ran it for about 10 minutes and rode it for a 1/2 hour. It is beginning to run smoother but I have to push the throttle just the slightest bit so it doesn't stall. Putting it away for now, it's beginning to rain...

Bruce as far as the floatboat?... I saw the clear tubing going to a place in the carb that points toward the front of the Scoot, but I could not see the screw to drain it.

When you say "the other end of the carb" do you mean opposite where the clear hose attaches? (the screw would be facing the rear?) or is it on the right side of the scooter? Opposite the kick stand?
Sorry.... but it's hard to see. I can only look through the opening by removing the battery cover or removing the black cover just above the kick stand. I can see a screw right above the clear hose at the carburetor but I couldn't get a screw driver if I tried.

Los.

-----Original Message-----
From: hondareflexowners@yahoogroups.com [mailto:hondareflexowners@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Joe Barnhart
Sent: Tuesday, May 11, 2010 4:38 PM
To: hondareflexowners@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: Honda Reflex Group Re: Reflex not starting up, help...

Try a "double" recommended dose for the gallons of gas in the tank right
now, and run it through, you may find the seafoam cleans it all up for you
without having to do another single thing! It's done it for me on a reflex
and a silverwing, both of which had sat for years!

Wth the float bowl, sorry I've never done one.

Joe

On Tue, May 11, 2010 at 4:34 PM, Carlos Moran <losmoran@bellsouth.net>wrote:

>
>
> Seafoam parts cleaner? I used that stuff to clean out the carbon build up
> on my car's EGR tube and it worked like magic. On my way to get it and then
> I'll try to see about the floatbowl draining (I can barely identify anything
> in there, (tight squeeze)) Do you have to remove any of the body panels to
> get to it?
>
> Los.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: hondareflexowners@yahoogroups.com<hondareflexowners%40yahoogroups.com>[mailto:
> hondareflexowners@yahoogroups.com <hondareflexowners%40yahoogroups.com>]
> On Behalf Of Joe Barnhart
> Sent: Tuesday, May 11, 2010 4:50 AM
> To: hondareflexowners@yahoogroups.com<hondareflexowners%40yahoogroups.com>
> Subject: Re: Honda Reflex Group Re: Reflex not starting up, help...
>
> It'll get better! you may wish to put some seafoam treatment through it,
> and suffer through the roughness and go ride it!
>
> Seafoam will help remove the gunk buildups in the gas lines, including fuel
> filter, carb, etc. It will also clean out the combustion chamber nicely.
>
> On Tue, May 11, 2010 at 1:31 AM, BruceK <bruce@aplusservices.com<bruce%40aplusservices.com>>
> wrote:
>
> >
> >
> > Yes - pull the spark plug and have a look at it - tan color on center
> > (inside) insulator is desirable. Also helpful to crank the engine for 10
> > seconds or so with the plug OUT.
> >
> > Also then connect the plug wire - lay the plug metal against some metal
> on
> > the engine and crank the engine - check for a nice blue spark. DO NOT
> TOUCH
> > THE PLUG while doing this or you will get zapped!
> >
> > There is a drain on the carb floatbowl - follow the clear plastic tube up
> > from around the kickstand - there is a "screw valve" at the other end on
> the
> > carb - back it out to drain the carb - drain it into a glass container if
> > possible - to evaluate what comes out.
> >
> > Post back...
> >
> > Bruce
> >
> >
> > --- In hondareflexowners@yahoogroups.com<hondareflexowners%40yahoogroups.com>
> <hondareflexowners%40yahoogroups.com>,
>
> > "Carlos Moran" <losmoran@...> wrote:
> > >
> > > Thank you Bruce. I got the Prestone prediluted 50/50.
> > >
> > > Well, I got it started following the a mixture of suggestions… I
> > siphoned the old gas out, put fresh fuel, added about an ounce of STP
> octane
> > booster, used Valvoline starter fluid which I sprayed while my wife
> started
> > it. We attempted it about 9 times before it barely started but kept on a
> few
> > more times and it started but runs terribly rough and shuts off easily if
> > the throttle is left at idle. I’ll try again tomorrow any thoughts??? I
> > suppose I should change the spark plug?
> >
> > >
> > > Anyway, first I want to thank you all for the help I never would have
> > gotten it started without your help.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > From: hondareflexowners@yahoogroups.com<hondareflexowners%40yahoogroups.com>
> <hondareflexowners%40yahoogroups.com>[mailto:
> > hondareflexowners@yahoogroups.com <hondareflexowners%40yahoogroups.com><hondareflexowners%
> 40yahoogroups.com>]
>
> > On Behalf Of BruceK
> > > Sent: Monday, May 10, 2010 10:00 PM
> > > To: hondareflexowners@yahoogroups.com<hondareflexowners%40yahoogroups.com>
> <hondareflexowners%40yahoogroups.com>
>
> > > Subject: Honda Reflex Group Re: Reflex not starting up, help...
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Reflex coolant has two ABSOLUTE requirements:
> > >
> > > 1. No silicates
> > > 2. SPECIFIES for ALUMINUM engines (Reflex cylinder head is aluminum).
> > >
> > > Find a coolant (like some Prestones) with those two requirments and
> > you're OK. DO NOT USE DEXCOOL.
> > >
> > > Hope that helps
> > >
> > > Bruce Koehler - the Koehlerizer
> > > Santa Cruz, CA
> > >
> > > PS - my personal opinion is that as long as you use SHORT 1 - 2 second
> > bursts of Starting Fluid, you have no risk of fire (especially since you
> are
> > squirting it into the vent - not directly saturating the air filter).
> Also
> > all STOCK (not K&N) air filters are extremely fire retardant.
> > >
> > > --- In hondareflexowners@yahoogroups.com<hondareflexowners%40yahoogroups.com>
> <hondareflexowners%40yahoogroups.com><mailto:
> > hondareflexowners%40yahoogroups.com<hondareflexowners%
> 2540yahoogroups.com>>
>
> > , "Carlos Moran" <losmoran@> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Will do, Will baking soda work, or a real fire extinguisher? BTW, I
> > just ordered a service manual from helm for 48 bucks in the meantime I
> need
> > to know what type and mixture of coolant to use. The reservoir seems
> > it’s way below the low mark.
> >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Thanks
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > From: hondareflexowners@yahoogroups.com<hondareflexowners%40yahoogroups.com>
> <hondareflexowners%40yahoogroups.com><mailto:
> > hondareflexowners%40yahoogroups.com<hondareflexowners%
> 2540yahoogroups.com>>
> > [mailto:hondareflexowners@yahoogroups.com<hondareflexowners%40yahoogroups.com>
> <hondareflexowners%40yahoogroups.com><mailto:
> > hondareflexowners%40yahoogroups.com<hondareflexowners%
> 2540yahoogroups.com>>
>
> > ] On Behalf Of Ira K
> > > > Sent: Monday, May 10, 2010 3:49 PM
> > > > To: hondareflexowners@yahoogroups.com<hondareflexowners%40yahoogroups.com>
> <hondareflexowners%40yahoogroups.com><mailto:
> > hondareflexowners%40yahoogroups.com<hondareflexowners%
> 2540yahoogroups.com>>
>
> >
> > > > Subject: Re: Honda Reflex Group Re: Reflex not starting up, help...
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > It is also very dangerous. If the Reflex backfires, a fire will start
> > in the air cleaner. Always keep a fire extinguisher handy when using
> > starting fluid.
> > > >
> > > > --- On Mon, 5/10/10, BruceK <bruce@ <mailto:
> bruce%40aplusservices.com <bruce%2540aplusservices.com><bruce%
> 2540aplusservices.com>>
> > > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > From: BruceK <bruce@ <mailto:bruce%40aplusservices.com<bruce%2540aplusservices.com>
> <bruce%2540aplusservices.com>>
>
> > >
> > > > Subject: Honda Reflex Group Re: Reflex not starting up, help...
> > > > To: hondareflexowners@yahoogroups.com<hondareflexowners%40yahoogroups.com>
> <hondareflexowners%40yahoogroups.com><mailto:
> > hondareflexowners%40yahoogroups.com<hondareflexowners%
> 2540yahoogroups.com>>
> > <mailto:hondareflexowners%40yahoogroups.com<hondareflexowners%2540yahoogroups.com>
> <hondareflexowners%2540yahoogroups.com>>
>
> >
> > > > Date: Monday, May 10, 2010, 3:08 PM
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > There are two air inlets on the left side - above the passenger foot
> > peg. The upper of those two is nearest air inlet to the air cleaner - the
> > closest EXTERNAL POINT into which you can squirt starting fluid. It's
> vapors
> > will be drawn into the engine when cranked...
> > > >
> > > > Starting Fluid is a "wonderful" low-cost troubleshooting tool, with
> > which you can quickly identify whether a starting/running problem is fuel
> > system related.
> > > >
> > > > Hope that helps
> > > >
> > > > Bruce Koehler - the Koehlerizer
> > > >
> > > > Santa Cruz, CA
> > > >
> > > > --- In hondareflexowners@ yahoogroups. com, "Carlos Moran"
> <losmoran@.> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > > > Bruce,
> > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > > > Can you be a little more specific on number 2?
> > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > > > There is a vent that has dual holes with a black plastic cover
> inside
> > the
> > > >
> > > > > vent and there is the spark plug access vent with the little
> pressure
> > clip?
> > > >
> > > > > Where do I spray the starting fluid?
> > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > > > It's hard to see or figure out how to remove some of the panels to
> > get a
> > > >
> > > > > better look at things.
> > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > > > Thanks
> > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > > > From: hondareflexowners@ yahoogroups. com
> > > >
> > > > > [mailto:hondareflexowners@ yahoogroups. com] On Behalf Of BruceK
> > > >
> > > > > Sent: Thursday, May 06, 2010 9:43 PM
> > > >
> > > > > To: hondareflexowners@ yahoogroups. com
> > > >
> > > > > Subject: Honda Reflex Group Re: Reflex not starting up, help...
> > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > > > Each of these is an INDIVIDUAL action - try one before you move on
> to
> > the
> > > >
> > > > > next:
> > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > > > 1. JUMP start it - hook jumper cables to a NON-RUNNING car. The
> > Reflex
> > > >
> > > > > ignition needs lots of volts - a low battery will not start it (and
> a
> > > >
> > > > > battery tender is only made to MAINTAIN the charge on an already OK
> > > >
> > > > > battery).
> > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > > > 2. Spray some Starting Fluid in the upper "vent" above the
> footboard
> > on the
> > > >
> > > > > kickstand-side of the scooter - try again.
> > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > > > 3. Remove the little cover just in front of that vent, and remove
> and
> > > >
> > > > > inspect the sparkplug. While it is OUT, crank the engine and see if
> > you
> > > >
> > > > > (hopefully) smell gas in the expelled air. Inspect the plug - clean
> > or
> > > >
> > > > > change - as appropriate.
> > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > > > Post back if you need more.
> > > >
> > > > > Post back anyway - with your results - that is the group
> > "compensation" for
> > > >
> > > > > the free advice - so that all will benefit.
> > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > > > Welcome to the group!
> > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > > > Bruce Koehler
> > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > > > --- In hondareflexowners@ yahoogroups. com
> > > >
> > > > > <mailto:hondareflex owners%40yahoogr oups.com> , "losmoran@"
> > <losmoran@>
> > > >
> > > > > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > >
> > > >
> > > > > > Hi All,
> > > >
> > > > > > I am a new member here, My wife owns a 2004 Reflex that has been
> > sitting
> > > >
> > > > > for about 9-10 months and it will not start. I tried starting it
> last
> > week
> > > >
> > > > > and trhe battery was very week... I ordered a battery tender and
> the
> > battery
> > > >
> > > > > charged fine but after three or four attempts at starting it began
> to
> > get
> > > >
> > > > > week... I'm hoping for some guidance in stating it. The engine and
> > fuel
> > > >
> > > > > lines are difficult to get to and before I ventured into taking it
> > apart to
> > > >
> > > > > maybe try some starting fluid I thought I'd check here... Any
> > suggestions
> > > >
> > > > > other than the mechanic?
> > > >
> > > > > >
> > > >
> > > > > > Thank you
> > > >
> > > > > > Los.
> > > >
> > > > > >
> > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
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> > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
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> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
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> > > >
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> > >
> > >
> > >
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> > >
> >
> >
> >
>
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4.7.

Re: Reflex not starting up, help...

Posted by: "Joe Barnhart" flaboye@gmail.com   jtbgnsv

Tue May 11, 2010 4:35 pm (PDT)



It sounds like the seafoam is working just fine. Tomorrow it'll be better,
the next day even better.

Try to run as much gas through as quickly as you can (over 2-3 days) and
you'll experience the miracle of seafoam!

Put fresh gas in and off you go vrooom
On Tue, May 11, 2010 at 6:44 PM, Carlos Moran <losmoran@bellsouth.net>wrote:

>
>
> " There is a drain on the carb floatbowl - follow the clear plastic tube up
> from around the kickstand - there is a "screw valve" at the other end on
> the carb - back it out to drain the carb - drain it into a glass container
> if
> possible - to evaluate what comes out."
>
> Txs you guys!
>
> So I ended up putting a double dose of Seafoam Motor Treatment rather than
> the standard 1oz per gallon. Started it, ran it for about 10 minutes and
> rode it for a 1/2 hour. It is beginning to run smoother but I have to push
> the throttle just the slightest bit so it doesn't stall. Putting it away for
> now, it's beginning to rain...
>
> Bruce as far as the floatboat?... I saw the clear tubing going to a place
> in the carb that points toward the front of the Scoot, but I could not see
> the screw to drain it.
>
> When you say "the other end of the carb" do you mean opposite where the
> clear hose attaches? (the screw would be facing the rear?) or is it on the
> right side of the scooter? Opposite the kick stand?
> Sorry.... but it's hard to see. I can only look through the opening by
> removing the battery cover or removing the black cover just above the kick
> stand. I can see a screw right above the clear hose at the carburetor but I
> couldn't get a screw driver if I tried.
>
> Los.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: hondareflexowners@yahoogroups.com<hondareflexowners%40yahoogroups.com>[mailto:
> hondareflexowners@yahoogroups.com <hondareflexowners%40yahoogroups.com>]
> On Behalf Of Joe Barnhart
> Sent: Tuesday, May 11, 2010 4:38 PM
> To: hondareflexowners@yahoogroups.com<hondareflexowners%40yahoogroups.com>
> Subject: Re: Honda Reflex Group Re: Reflex not starting up, help...
>
> Try a "double" recommended dose for the gallons of gas in the tank right
> now, and run it through, you may find the seafoam cleans it all up for you
> without having to do another single thing! It's done it for me on a reflex
> and a silverwing, both of which had sat for years!
>
> Wth the float bowl, sorry I've never done one.
>
> Joe
>
> On Tue, May 11, 2010 at 4:34 PM, Carlos Moran <losmoran@bellsouth.net<losmoran%40bellsouth.net>
> >wrote:
>
> >
> >
> > Seafoam parts cleaner? I used that stuff to clean out the carbon build up
> > on my car's EGR tube and it worked like magic. On my way to get it and
> then
> > I'll try to see about the floatbowl draining (I can barely identify
> anything
> > in there, (tight squeeze)) Do you have to remove any of the body panels
> to
> > get to it?
> >
> > Los.
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: hondareflexowners@yahoogroups.com<hondareflexowners%40yahoogroups.com>
> <hondareflexowners%40yahoogroups.com>[mailto:
> > hondareflexowners@yahoogroups.com <hondareflexowners%40yahoogroups.com><hondareflexowners%
> 40yahoogroups.com>]
> > On Behalf Of Joe Barnhart
> > Sent: Tuesday, May 11, 2010 4:50 AM
> > To: hondareflexowners@yahoogroups.com<hondareflexowners%40yahoogroups.com>
> <hondareflexowners%40yahoogroups.com>
> > Subject: Re: Honda Reflex Group Re: Reflex not starting up, help...
> >
> > It'll get better! you may wish to put some seafoam treatment through it,
> > and suffer through the roughness and go ride it!
> >
> > Seafoam will help remove the gunk buildups in the gas lines, including
> fuel
> > filter, carb, etc. It will also clean out the combustion chamber nicely.
> >
> > On Tue, May 11, 2010 at 1:31 AM, BruceK <bruce@aplusservices.com<bruce%40aplusservices.com>
> <bruce%40aplusservices.com>>
> > wrote:
> >
> > >
> > >
> > > Yes - pull the spark plug and have a look at it - tan color on center
> > > (inside) insulator is desirable. Also helpful to crank the engine for
> 10
> > > seconds or so with the plug OUT.
> > >
> > > Also then connect the plug wire - lay the plug metal against some metal
> > on
> > > the engine and crank the engine - check for a nice blue spark. DO NOT
> > TOUCH
> > > THE PLUG while doing this or you will get zapped!
> > >
> > > There is a drain on the carb floatbowl - follow the clear plastic tube
> up
> > > from around the kickstand - there is a "screw valve" at the other end
> on
> > the
> > > carb - back it out to drain the carb - drain it into a glass container
> if
> > > possible - to evaluate what comes out.
> > >
> > > Post back...
> > >
> > > Bruce
> > >
> > >
> > > --- In hondareflexowners@yahoogroups.com<hondareflexowners%40yahoogroups.com>
> <hondareflexowners%40yahoogroups.com>
> > <hondareflexowners%40yahoogroups.com>,
> >
> > > "Carlos Moran" <losmoran@...> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Thank you Bruce. I got the Prestone prediluted 50/50.
> > > >
> > > > Well, I got it started following the a mixture of suggestions… I
> > > siphoned the old gas out, put fresh fuel, added about an ounce of STP
> > octane
> > > booster, used Valvoline starter fluid which I sprayed while my wife
> > started
> > > it. We attempted it about 9 times before it barely started but kept on
> a
> > few
> > > more times and it started but runs terribly rough and shuts off easily
> if
> > > the throttle is left at idle. I’ll try again tomorrow any thoughts???
> I
> > > suppose I should change the spark plug?
> > >
> > > >
> > > > Anyway, first I want to thank you all for the help I never would have
> > > gotten it started without your help.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > From: hondareflexowners@yahoogroups.com<hondareflexowners%40yahoogroups.com>
> <hondareflexowners%40yahoogroups.com>
> > <hondareflexowners%40yahoogroups.com>[mailto:
> > > hondareflexowners@yahoogroups.com<hondareflexowners%40yahoogroups.com><hondareflexowners%
> 40yahoogroups.com><hondareflexowners%
> > 40yahoogroups.com>]
> >
> > > On Behalf Of BruceK
> > > > Sent: Monday, May 10, 2010 10:00 PM
> > > > To: hondareflexowners@yahoogroups.com<hondareflexowners%40yahoogroups.com>
> <hondareflexowners%40yahoogroups.com>
> > <hondareflexowners%40yahoogroups.com>
> >
> > > > Subject: Honda Reflex Group Re: Reflex not starting up, help...
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Reflex coolant has two ABSOLUTE requirements:
> > > >
> > > > 1. No silicates
> > > > 2. SPECIFIES for ALUMINUM engines (Reflex cylinder head is aluminum).
> > > >
> > > > Find a coolant (like some Prestones) with those two requirments and
> > > you're OK. DO NOT USE DEXCOOL.
> > > >
> > > > Hope that helps
> > > >
> > > > Bruce Koehler - the Koehlerizer
> > > > Santa Cruz, CA
> > > >
> > > > PS - my personal opinion is that as long as you use SHORT 1 - 2
> second
> > > bursts of Starting Fluid, you have no risk of fire (especially since
> you
> > are
> > > squirting it into the vent - not directly saturating the air filter).
> > Also
> > > all STOCK (not K&N) air filters are extremely fire retardant.
> > > >
> > > > --- In hondareflexowners@yahoogroups.com<hondareflexowners%40yahoogroups.com>
> <hondareflexowners%40yahoogroups.com>
> > <hondareflexowners%40yahoogroups.com><mailto:
> > > hondareflexowners%40yahoogroups.com<hondareflexowners%
> > 2540yahoogroups.com>>
> >
> > > , "Carlos Moran" <losmoran@> wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > Will do, Will baking soda work, or a real fire extinguisher? BTW, I
> > > just ordered a service manual from helm for 48 bucks in the meantime I
> > need
> > > to know what type and mixture of coolant to use. The reservoir seems
> > > it’s way below the low mark.
> > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Thanks
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > From: hondareflexowners@yahoogroups.com<hondareflexowners%40yahoogroups.com>
> <hondareflexowners%40yahoogroups.com>
> > <hondareflexowners%40yahoogroups.com><mailto:
> > > hondareflexowners%40yahoogroups.com<hondareflexowners%
> > 2540yahoogroups.com>>
> > > [mailto:hondareflexowners@yahoogroups.com<hondareflexowners%40yahoogroups.com>
> <hondareflexowners%40yahoogroups.com>
> > <hondareflexowners%40yahoogroups.com><mailto:
> > > hondareflexowners%40yahoogroups.com<hondareflexowners%
> > 2540yahoogroups.com>>
> >
> > > ] On Behalf Of Ira K
> > > > > Sent: Monday, May 10, 2010 3:49 PM
> > > > > To: hondareflexowners@yahoogroups.com<hondareflexowners%40yahoogroups.com>
> <hondareflexowners%40yahoogroups.com>
> > <hondareflexowners%40yahoogroups.com><mailto:
> > > hondareflexowners%40yahoogroups.com<hondareflexowners%
> > 2540yahoogroups.com>>
> >
> > >
> > > > > Subject: Re: Honda Reflex Group Re: Reflex not starting up, help...
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > It is also very dangerous. If the Reflex backfires, a fire will
> start
> > > in the air cleaner. Always keep a fire extinguisher handy when using
> > > starting fluid.
> > > > >
> > > > > --- On Mon, 5/10/10, BruceK <bruce@ <mailto:
> > bruce%40aplusservices.com <bruce%2540aplusservices.com><bruce%
> > 2540aplusservices.com>>
> > > > wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > From: BruceK <bruce@ <mailto:bruce%40aplusservices.com<bruce%2540aplusservices.com>
> <bruce%2540aplusservices.com>
> > <bruce%2540aplusservices.com>>
> >
> > > >
> > > > > Subject: Honda Reflex Group Re: Reflex not starting up, help...
> > > > > To: hondareflexowners@yahoogroups.com<hondareflexowners%40yahoogroups.com>
> <hondareflexowners%40yahoogroups.com>
> > <hondareflexowners%40yahoogroups.com><mailto:
> > > hondareflexowners%40yahoogroups.com<hondareflexowners%
> > 2540yahoogroups.com>>
> > > <mailto:hondareflexowners%40yahoogroups.com<hondareflexowners%2540yahoogroups.com>
> <hondareflexowners%2540yahoogroups.com>
> > <hondareflexowners%2540yahoogroups.com>>
> >
> > >
> > > > > Date: Monday, May 10, 2010, 3:08 PM
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > There are two air inlets on the left side - above the passenger
> foot
> > > peg. The upper of those two is nearest air inlet to the air cleaner -
> the
> > > closest EXTERNAL POINT into which you can squirt starting fluid. It's
> > vapors
> > > will be drawn into the engine when cranked...
> > > > >
> > > > > Starting Fluid is a "wonderful" low-cost troubleshooting tool, with
> > > which you can quickly identify whether a starting/running problem is
> fuel
> > > system related.
> > > > >
> > > > > Hope that helps
> > > > >
> > > > > Bruce Koehler - the Koehlerizer
> > > > >
> > > > > Santa Cruz, CA
> > > > >
> > > > > --- In hondareflexowners@ yahoogroups. com, "Carlos Moran"
> > <losmoran@.> wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > > Bruce,
> > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > > Can you be a little more specific on number 2?
> > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > > There is a vent that has dual holes with a black plastic cover
> > inside
> > > the
> > > > >
> > > > > > vent and there is the spark plug access vent with the little
> > pressure
> > > clip?
> > > > >
> > > > > > Where do I spray the starting fluid?
> > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > > It's hard to see or figure out how to remove some of the panels
> to
> > > get a
> > > > >
> > > > > > better look at things.
> > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > > Thanks
> > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > > From: hondareflexowners@ yahoogroups. com
> > > > >
> > > > > > [mailto:hondareflexowners@ yahoogroups. com] On Behalf Of BruceK
> > > > >
> > > > > > Sent: Thursday, May 06, 2010 9:43 PM
> > > > >
> > > > > > To: hondareflexowners@ yahoogroups. com
> > > > >
> > > > > > Subject: Honda Reflex Group Re: Reflex not starting up, help...
> > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > > Each of these is an INDIVIDUAL action - try one before you move
> on
> > to
> > > the
> > > > >
> > > > > > next:
> > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > > 1. JUMP start it - hook jumper cables to a NON-RUNNING car. The
> > > Reflex
> > > > >
> > > > > > ignition needs lots of volts - a low battery will not start it
> (and
> > a
> > > > >
> > > > > > battery tender is only made to MAINTAIN the charge on an already
> OK
> > > > >
> > > > > > battery).
> > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > > 2. Spray some Starting Fluid in the upper "vent" above the
> > footboard
> > > on the
> > > > >
> > > > > > kickstand-side of the scooter - try again.
> > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > > 3. Remove the little cover just in front of that vent, and remove
> > and
> > > > >
> > > > > > inspect the sparkplug. While it is OUT, crank the engine and see
> if
> > > you
> > > > >
> > > > > > (hopefully) smell gas in the expelled air. Inspect the plug -
> clean
> > > or
> > > > >
> > > > > > change - as appropriate.
> > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > > Post back if you need more.
> > > > >
> > > > > > Post back anyway - with your results - that is the group
> > > "compensation" for
> > > > >
> > > > > > the free advice - so that all will benefit.
> > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > > Welcome to the group!
> > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > > Bruce Koehler
> > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > > --- In hondareflexowners@ yahoogroups. com
> > > > >
> > > > > > <mailto:hondareflex owners%40yahoogr oups.com> , "losmoran@"
> > > <losmoran@>
> > > > >
> > > > > > wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > > > Hi All,
> > > > >
> > > > > > > I am a new member here, My wife owns a 2004 Reflex that has
> been
> > > sitting
> > > > >
> > > > > > for about 9-10 months and it will not start. I tried starting it
> > last
> > > week
> > > > >
> > > > > > and trhe battery was very week... I ordered a battery tender and
> > the
> > > battery
> > > > >
> > > > > > charged fine but after three or four attempts at starting it
> began
> > to
> > > get
> > > > >
> > > > > > week... I'm hoping for some guidance in stating it. The engine
> and
> > > fuel
> > > > >
> > > > > > lines are difficult to get to and before I ventured into taking
> it
> > > apart to
> > > > >
> > > > > > maybe try some starting fluid I thought I'd check here... Any
> > > suggestions
> > > > >
> > > > > > other than the mechanic?
> > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > > > Thank you
> > > > >
> > > > > > > Los.
> > > > >
> > > > > > >
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4.8.

Re: Reflex not starting up, help...

Posted by: "Michael" mbr987@comcast.net   bandito_two

Tue May 11, 2010 5:49 pm (PDT)



--- In hondareflexowners@yahoogroups.com, "Carlos Moran" <losmoran@...> wrote:
>
> " There is a drain on the carb floatbowl - follow the clear plastic tube up
> from around the kickstand - there is a "screw valve" at the other end on
> the carb - back it out to drain the carb - drain it into a glass container if
> possible - to evaluate what comes out."
>
>
> Txs you guys!
>
> S N I P <
>
> Bruce as far as the floatboat?... I saw the clear tubing going to a place in the carb that points toward the front of the Scoot, but I could not see the screw to drain it.
>
/ / / / / / / / / / / / / / / / / / / / / / / / / / /
Just above where the hose connects on the carb there is a place to
put the screwdriver to.

> When you say "the other end of the carb" do you mean opposite where the clear hose attaches? (the screw would be facing the rear?) or is it on the right side of the scooter? Opposite the kick stand?
/ / / / / / / / / / / / / / / / / / / / / / / / / / /

He meant at the other end(not the bottom, but rather the upper end of the hose.) ON the carb.

> Sorry.... but it's hard to see. I can only look through the opening by removing the battery cover or removing the black cover just above the kick stand.

I can see a screw right above the clear hose at the carburetor but I couldn't get a screw driver if I tried.
/ / / / / / / / / / / / / / / / / / / / / / / / / / /
THAT'S IT!! That's the one...

>
> Los.
>

To get better access to that screw, you need to remove the lower
skirt so you can reach up with your hand from underneath. A shorty
screwdriver might work, but the tool I used was this double bent
ended screw driver thing. One end had a slot type head and the other
a phillips head type. Shaped like the straight lines example below
where the end pointing up is slot head and the end pointing down
is the philips head.(I used periods as fill because Yahoo removes
unfilled spaces and it wouldn't display correctly otherwise)

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................

HTH

Mike B.

Rochester Hills Michigan Double Dark Side Rider)
(2007 Honda NSS250S Reflex Sport "Scarlet")
(2006 Honda FSC600A Silverwing "Jester")

5a.

Re: Another reminder that should be considered

Posted by: "floodgateus" floodgateus@yahoo.com   floodgateus

Tue May 11, 2010 1:41 pm (PDT)




@@@@@ NOt enough miles on the tire for me! About 6,750 and it was worn out in the middle, with plenty of tread left on the sides

---
  HOw many miles was on that rear tire?? Thanks
>
> --- On Sun, 5/9/10, floodgateus <floodgateus@...> wrote:
>
> From: floodgateus <floodgateus@...>
> Subject: Honda Reflex Group Re: Another reminder that should be considered
> To: hondareflexowners@yahoogroups.com
> Date: Sunday, May 9, 2010, 6:57 PM
>
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> I had the same thing happen..felt like a slideout when turning corners hard...checked rear tire pressure and it was 11 psi!
>
> I filled it up to 29..this was a few months ago.now I see the tire cord showing in a stripe down the middle of the Hoop..time to get new rubber.
>
> Floodgate
>
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>
> --- push it with my fingers. There were no foreign objects in the tire, so that was no flat. I had to go to a gas station to fill it up with air. There it showed that it had 10 PSI which is not good. It should have about 30 PSI
>
> > This hasn't happened to me before (losing tire pressure) but from now on I'll check the tire pressure at least 2-3 times a month.
>
> >
>
> > I want to ask something, do spark plugs make any noise? With the engine on, I removed the maintainence lid to inspect ( visualy ) the adjusting plates and I could hear a weird sound just like an electric arc, like those you hear from the self defense teasers. Only it was produced less often, just obout when the spark from the spark plug occurs. So could this be the spark plug?
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6a.

Reflex Temp Guage

Posted by: "bwernow" bwernow@yahoo.com   bwernow

Tue May 11, 2010 1:54 pm (PDT)



Hi All
I just bought a 2006 sport with 1800 miles. I live in SW Florida with Temps in the 80 and 90 degree range. I was wondering where the temp guage needle should be when engine is warmed up?

6b.

Re: Reflex Temp Guage

Posted by: "Joe Barnhart" flaboye@gmail.com   jtbgnsv

Tue May 11, 2010 1:56 pm (PDT)



During the winter mine is lucky to see the 1/2 mark. During the 11 degree
rides this past winter, it never got past 1/4 !

On hot days, and at highway speed mine runs just under 3/4 and has done so
for about 47,000 miles now.

Joe

On Tue, May 11, 2010 at 4:53 PM, bwernow <bwernow@yahoo.com> wrote:

>
>
> Hi All
> I just bought a 2006 sport with 1800 miles. I live in SW Florida with Temps
> in the 80 and 90 degree range. I was wondering where the temp guage needle
> should be when engine is warmed up?
>
>
>

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6c.

Re: Reflex Temp Guage

Posted by: "bwernow" bwernow@yahoo.com   bwernow

Tue May 11, 2010 2:36 pm (PDT)



Thanks for the quick reply Joe. That answered my question. Mine is in the middle so all is normal
Bruce Wernow

--- In hondareflexowners@yahoogroups.com, Joe Barnhart <flaboye@...> wrote:
>
> During the winter mine is lucky to see the 1/2 mark. During the 11 degree
> rides this past winter, it never got past 1/4 !
>
> On hot days, and at highway speed mine runs just under 3/4 and has done so
> for about 47,000 miles now.
>
> Joe
>
> On Tue, May 11, 2010 at 4:53 PM, bwernow <bwernow@...> wrote:
>
> >
> >
> > Hi All
> > I just bought a 2006 sport with 1800 miles. I live in SW Florida with Temps
> > in the 80 and 90 degree range. I was wondering where the temp guage needle
> > should be when engine is warmed up?
> >
> >
> >
>
>
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>

7a.

Scooter Road Rash

Posted by: "LincolnF" lfisher100@comcast.net   lfisher100

Tue May 11, 2010 2:30 pm (PDT)



My scooter now has some road rash due to my goofing around on a gravel road in the neighborhood. At 48 years old, you'd think that I would know better....Slingin' gravel and puttin' a ton of dust in the air, then wiping out at about maybe 20mph. Ouch!

Bottom line is the front left signal cover has deep gouges and is broken off.
Does anyone out there know how expensive this is to get new from Honda?

Any advice on touching it up with touch-up paint and glueing it on?

Does anyone know how it WAS attached? It looks like maybe there used to be a threaded insert in the boss on the inside but the fairing part it attaches to seems to be broken too and I have not found any broken pieces yet. Otherwise I might try to glue them back together.

Any advice from the group would be appreciated! (I don't need any about goofing around on gravel, that I have already taken to heart!) Live & Learn!

Thanks,

LF '03 yellow Reflex, about 5500 miles on her now CT, USA

7b.

Re: Scooter Road Rash

Posted by: "jim borton" gondola1545@yahoo.com   gondola1545

Tue May 11, 2010 2:37 pm (PDT)



Suggest you get the Chinese Cloned Parts out of Southern California...

________________________________
From: LincolnF <lfisher100@comcast.net>
To: hondareflexowners@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tue, May 11, 2010 2:25:16 PM
Subject: Honda Reflex Group Scooter Road Rash

 
My scooter now has some road rash due to my goofing around on a gravel road in the neighborhood. At 48 years old, you'd think that I would know better....Slingin' gravel and puttin' a ton of dust in the air, then wiping out at about maybe 20mph. Ouch!

Bottom line is the front left signal cover has deep gouges and is broken off.
Does anyone out there know how expensive this is to get new from Honda?

Any advice on touching it up with touch-up paint and glueing it on?

Does anyone know how it WAS attached? It looks like maybe there used to be a threaded insert in the boss on the inside but the fairing part it attaches to seems to be broken too and I have not found any broken pieces yet. Otherwise I might try to glue them back together.

Any advice from the group would be appreciated! (I don't need any about goofing around on gravel, that I have already taken to heart!) Live & Learn!

Thanks,

LF '03 yellow Reflex, about 5500 miles on her now CT, USA

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7c.

Re: Scooter Road Rash

Posted by: "Jonathan Vaughn" spotchicus@yahoo.com   spotchicus

Tue May 11, 2010 2:53 pm (PDT)



http://www.hondaeasttoledo.com/OEMpartfinder.htm

Go to the honda scooter link there and then click on the correct year and model and it thumb through the various links until you find the right parts. These people seem to have the best prices around and are apparently pretty easy to deal with.

Good luck! Sorry to hear about the wreck :(

Jon

________________________________
From: LincolnF <lfisher100@comcast.net>
To: hondareflexowners@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tue, May 11, 2010 5:25:16 PM
Subject: Honda Reflex Group Scooter Road Rash

My scooter now has some road rash due to my goofing around on a gravel road in the neighborhood. At 48 years old, you'd think that I would know better....Slingin' gravel and puttin' a ton of dust in the air, then wiping out at about maybe 20mph. Ouch!

Bottom line is the front left signal cover has deep gouges and is broken off.
Does anyone out there know how expensive this is to get new from Honda?

Any advice on touching it up with touch-up paint and glueing it on?

Does anyone know how it WAS attached? It looks like maybe there used to be a threaded insert in the boss on the inside but the fairing part it attaches to seems to be broken too and I have not found any broken pieces yet. Otherwise I might try to glue them back together.

Any advice from the group would be appreciated! (I don't need any about goofing around on gravel, that I have already taken to heart!) Live & Learn!

Thanks,

LF '03 yellow Reflex, about 5500 miles on her now CT, USA

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8a.

Midatlantic Scooter Meet New Holland PA

Posted by: "Richard" rdinning@lorald.ca   rdinnin

Tue May 11, 2010 5:55 pm (PDT)



Hello Rally Attendees!
We are now 10 days away from the rally and if you are like me, you can't
wait.

I would like to take this opportunity to remind everyone to print out the
waiver from our web site www.midatlanticscoot.com, sign it and bring it with
you to the rally. It's under the tab for "registration", if you didn't see
it when you registered.
I hope to see you there. RD

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8b.

Midatlantic Scooter Meet New Holland PA

Posted by: "Richard" rdinning@lorald.ca   rdinnin

Tue May 11, 2010 5:57 pm (PDT)



Sorry, some how the whole thing didn't get sent. Here it is.

Hello Rally Attendees!
We are now 10 days away from the rally and if you are like me, you can't
wait.

I would like to take this opportunity to remind everyone to print out the
waiver from our web site www.midatlanticscoot.com, sign it and bring it with
you to the rally. It's under the tab for "registration", if you didn't see
it when you registered.

At this time we have 113 registrations from 10 states and 6 from Canada. We
seem to be getting one or two a day as we get closer to the rally date.

Those of you that know of any motorcycle, scooter or other related
businesses or shops that may want to donate any items to our Door Prize
Raffle such as hats, t-shirts, bike accessories, riding gear or any other
cool stuff, please get them on board. If they can donate something
"Significant", then we can offer them a spot on our website using a copy of
their logo with a link to their website. A water bottle with their business
logo on it won't cut it. We are going to be a large group and we are looking
to get as many items to give away as possible.
The address to send Door Prize donations to is:

The Hollander Motel
Mike Engelmann c/o
Cindy Fox (Manager)
320 E. Main Street
New Holland, PA. 17557

We have some fabulous Grand Prizes such as, a Coo Case "Wizard" Top Case
from www.Twistedthrottle.com, an E300N Top Case from Givi at www.Giviusa.com
2 Aqua Boxes with the required mounting equipment from www.Ram-Mounts.com,
A pair of Quick Scan Shield-SS wide angle mirrors from www.Saeng.com, and
whole lot more.

Please refer to the website for more Rally information and if you want, you
can email or call me with any questions.

See you at the rally!
Regards,


Mike Engelmann
Registration Coordinator
Door Prize Chairman
All around Conscience of the Mid Atlantic Scooter Rally ; )
Cell: 301-908-6369
Email: mike@midatlanticscoot.com

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