Thursday, April 8, 2010

Honda Reflex Group Digest Number 4790

Messages In This Digest (8 Messages)

1a.
Anti freeze in air filter box From: omeltschenkokonrad
1b.
Re: Anti freeze in air filter box From: BruceK
1c.
Re: Anti freeze in air filter box From: omeltschenkokonrad
1d.
Re: Anti freeze in air filter box From: BruceK
2a.
A little help please From: Russ
2b.
Re: A little help please From: william page
2c.
Re: A little help please From: TubaTim
2d.
Re: A little help please From: Michael

Messages

1a.

Anti freeze in air filter box

Posted by: "omeltschenkokonrad" omeltschenkokonrad@yahoo.com   omeltschenkokonrad

Wed Apr 7, 2010 6:03 am (PDT)



I just had my scooter serviced last week. It had bad gas in it from being stored without a stabilizer in the fuel. The mechanic at the Honda dealer cleaned the carburator. I got the Reflex back and it ran and started fine. I took a ride and 1/2 hour or so into the ride the scooter stalled. When I tried to start it a lot of white smoke came out of the exhaust. After a few minutes of trying to start the scooter it finally ran. I was able to get home. This happened several times. I noticed what appeared to be antifreeze coming out of the drain at the back bottom of the air filter box. I took the scooter back to the dealer. They couldn't find an antifreeze leak. They changed the oil saying it probably had antifreeze in it. I got it back yesterday and so far it starts and runs fine. I am concerned because I am taking part in a Cincinnati scooter club ride this weekend and hopefully my antifreeze problem won't reoccur on the ride.
Any ideas on how the antifreeze got in the air filter box? This is a 2005 Reflex with a K-Mod. I have 1400 miles on it.
Konrad O

1b.

Re: Anti freeze in air filter box

Posted by: "BruceK" bruce@aplusservices.com   bruceakoehler

Wed Apr 7, 2010 12:15 pm (PDT)



There is a hose from the cooling system that goes to the carb - to heat it up for better cold weather / emissions performance.

It sounds like the shop has made a mistake doing the rebuild; although it is possible that the coolant just ran in there in the process of removing the carb for the rebuild.

The coolant there will not damage the engine - but certainly the source must be found.

I suggest that you clean out the air cleaner housing immaculately - then if any more coolant appears - take the scooter back to the shop.

Also - obviously - keep a close watch on the coolant level - keeping in mind that you should periodically check it at the metal cap under the battery cover WITH ENGINE COLD. See the FILES section for info. Do not depend solely on checking the coolant reservoir near the gas filler - it there is an air leak in the cooling system, there will be no resultant vacuum to pull coolant UP from the reservoir to replenish the lost coolant (dumb design).

Please post back with what you fin - so that other can benefit from your experience.

Hope that helps

Bruce Koehler - the Koehlerizer
Santa Cruz, CA

--- In hondareflexowners@yahoogroups.com, "omeltschenkokonrad" <omeltschenkokonrad@...> wrote:
>
> I just had my scooter serviced last week. It had bad gas in it from being stored without a stabilizer in the fuel. The mechanic at the Honda dealer cleaned the carburator. I got the Reflex back and it ran and started fine. I took a ride and 1/2 hour or so into the ride the scooter stalled. When I tried to start it a lot of white smoke came out of the exhaust. After a few minutes of trying to start the scooter it finally ran. I was able to get home. This happened several times. I noticed what appeared to be antifreeze coming out of the drain at the back bottom of the air filter box. I took the scooter back to the dealer. They couldn't find an antifreeze leak. They changed the oil saying it probably had antifreeze in it. I got it back yesterday and so far it starts and runs fine. I am concerned because I am taking part in a Cincinnati scooter club ride this weekend and hopefully my antifreeze problem won't reoccur on the ride.
> Any ideas on how the antifreeze got in the air filter box? This is a 2005 Reflex with a K-Mod. I have 1400 miles on it.
> Konrad O
>

1c.

Re: Anti freeze in air filter box

Posted by: "omeltschenkokonrad" omeltschenkokonrad@yahoo.com   omeltschenkokonrad

Wed Apr 7, 2010 12:29 pm (PDT)



Thanks for the information. Could this happen if I overfilled the antifreeze system? It appeared low so I filled it, but I don't remember if I filled it before or after I went for my ride when I had the engine problem.
Konrad O

--- In hondareflexowners@yahoogroups.com, "BruceK" <bruce@...> wrote:
>
> There is a hose from the cooling system that goes to the carb - to heat it up for better cold weather / emissions performance.
>
> It sounds like the shop has made a mistake doing the rebuild; although it is possible that the coolant just ran in there in the process of removing the carb for the rebuild.
>
> The coolant there will not damage the engine - but certainly the source must be found.
>
> I suggest that you clean out the air cleaner housing immaculately - then if any more coolant appears - take the scooter back to the shop.
>
> Also - obviously - keep a close watch on the coolant level - keeping in mind that you should periodically check it at the metal cap under the battery cover WITH ENGINE COLD. See the FILES section for info. Do not depend solely on checking the coolant reservoir near the gas filler - it there is an air leak in the cooling system, there will be no resultant vacuum to pull coolant UP from the reservoir to replenish the lost coolant (dumb design).
>
> Please post back with what you fin - so that other can benefit from your experience.
>
> Hope that helps
>
> Bruce Koehler - the Koehlerizer
> Santa Cruz, CA
>
>
> --- In hondareflexowners@yahoogroups.com, "omeltschenkokonrad" <omeltschenkokonrad@> wrote:
> >
> > I just had my scooter serviced last week. It had bad gas in it from being stored without a stabilizer in the fuel. The mechanic at the Honda dealer cleaned the carburator. I got the Reflex back and it ran and started fine. I took a ride and 1/2 hour or so into the ride the scooter stalled. When I tried to start it a lot of white smoke came out of the exhaust. After a few minutes of trying to start the scooter it finally ran. I was able to get home. This happened several times. I noticed what appeared to be antifreeze coming out of the drain at the back bottom of the air filter box. I took the scooter back to the dealer. They couldn't find an antifreeze leak. They changed the oil saying it probably had antifreeze in it. I got it back yesterday and so far it starts and runs fine. I am concerned because I am taking part in a Cincinnati scooter club ride this weekend and hopefully my antifreeze problem won't reoccur on the ride.
> > Any ideas on how the antifreeze got in the air filter box? This is a 2005 Reflex with a K-Mod. I have 1400 miles on it.
> > Konrad O
> >
>

1d.

Re: Anti freeze in air filter box

Posted by: "BruceK" bruce@aplusservices.com   bruceakoehler

Wed Apr 7, 2010 4:11 pm (PDT)



no

Bruce

--- In hondareflexowners@yahoogroups.com, "omeltschenkokonrad" <omeltschenkokonrad@...> wrote:
>
> Thanks for the information. Could this happen if I overfilled the antifreeze system? It appeared low so I filled it, but I don't remember if I filled it before or after I went for my ride when I had the engine problem.
> Konrad O
>
> --- In hondareflexowners@yahoogroups.com, "BruceK" <bruce@> wrote:
> >
> > There is a hose from the cooling system that goes to the carb - to heat it up for better cold weather / emissions performance.
> >
> > It sounds like the shop has made a mistake doing the rebuild; although it is possible that the coolant just ran in there in the process of removing the carb for the rebuild.
> >
> > The coolant there will not damage the engine - but certainly the source must be found.
> >
> > I suggest that you clean out the air cleaner housing immaculately - then if any more coolant appears - take the scooter back to the shop.
> >
> > Also - obviously - keep a close watch on the coolant level - keeping in mind that you should periodically check it at the metal cap under the battery cover WITH ENGINE COLD. See the FILES section for info. Do not depend solely on checking the coolant reservoir near the gas filler - it there is an air leak in the cooling system, there will be no resultant vacuum to pull coolant UP from the reservoir to replenish the lost coolant (dumb design).
> >
> > Please post back with what you fin - so that other can benefit from your experience.
> >
> > Hope that helps
> >
> > Bruce Koehler - the Koehlerizer
> > Santa Cruz, CA
> >
> >
> > --- In hondareflexowners@yahoogroups.com, "omeltschenkokonrad" <omeltschenkokonrad@> wrote:
> > >
> > > I just had my scooter serviced last week. It had bad gas in it from being stored without a stabilizer in the fuel. The mechanic at the Honda dealer cleaned the carburator. I got the Reflex back and it ran and started fine. I took a ride and 1/2 hour or so into the ride the scooter stalled. When I tried to start it a lot of white smoke came out of the exhaust. After a few minutes of trying to start the scooter it finally ran. I was able to get home. This happened several times. I noticed what appeared to be antifreeze coming out of the drain at the back bottom of the air filter box. I took the scooter back to the dealer. They couldn't find an antifreeze leak. They changed the oil saying it probably had antifreeze in it. I got it back yesterday and so far it starts and runs fine. I am concerned because I am taking part in a Cincinnati scooter club ride this weekend and hopefully my antifreeze problem won't reoccur on the ride.
> > > Any ideas on how the antifreeze got in the air filter box? This is a 2005 Reflex with a K-Mod. I have 1400 miles on it.
> > > Konrad O
> > >
> >
>

2a.

A little help please

Posted by: "Russ" mountainmac1@yahoo.com   mountainmac1

Wed Apr 7, 2010 1:44 pm (PDT)



Just purchased a Red 2007 Reflex Sport with 4K miles on it and in perfect condition.

Some questions;
What is the color code for this scooter? I can't find it anywhere.

Would like to put a "trunk" on it but the Givi model for this scooter says it will not fit the sport model....now what???

And, if there is a trunk available from somewhere, are they sturdy enough to be used as a backrest for a passenger?

Thank you very much for your time
Russ

2b.

Re: A little help please

Posted by: "william page" gasmanox@msn.com   wcpage3725

Wed Apr 7, 2010 2:53 pm (PDT)




i have a 2007 reflex sport and put a givi 52 trunk on it using the universal mounting bracket

it worked perfectly. it does put the trunk close to the rear seat and only a small person

could set there now. i might have been able to move it back but i like it where its at
i also put a tall windshield on it. everything works and looks great

bill

To: hondareflexowners@yahoogroups.com
From: mountainmac1@yahoo.com
Date: Wed, 7 Apr 2010 20:43:56 +0000
Subject: Honda Reflex Group A little help please

Just purchased a Red 2007 Reflex Sport with 4K miles on it and in perfect condition.

Some questions;
What is the color code for this scooter? I can't find it anywhere.

Would like to put a "trunk" on it but the Givi model for this scooter says it will not fit the sport model....now what???

And, if there is a trunk available from somewhere, are they sturdy enough to be used as a backrest for a passenger?

Thank you very much for your time
Russ


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2c.

Re: A little help please

Posted by: "TubaTim" phreadbarnz@gmail.com   phreadbarnz

Wed Apr 7, 2010 4:10 pm (PDT)



There are two options to mounting a Givi case on the Sport model.
1. Use the universal mount
2. Buy and mount a rear spoiler/wing (non sport model)

The rear spoiler/wing is interchangeable with the rear grab bar of the sport model

The color code should be on a sticker under the seat (near the hinge).

HTH
TravlinTim (who has a sport with a wing) Hansen
phreadbarnz@yahoo.com

--- In hondareflexowners@yahoogroups.com, "Russ" <mountainmac1@...> wrote:
>
> Just purchased a Red 2007 Reflex Sport with 4K miles on it and in perfect condition.
>
> Some questions;
> What is the color code for this scooter? I can't find it anywhere.
>
> Would like to put a "trunk" on it but the Givi model for this scooter says it will not fit the sport model....now what???
>
> And, if there is a trunk available from somewhere, are they sturdy enough to be used as a backrest for a passenger?
>
> Thank you very much for your time
> Russ
>

2d.

Re: A little help please

Posted by: "Michael" mbr987@comcast.net   bandito_two

Wed Apr 7, 2010 10:12 pm (PDT)



--- In hondareflexowners@yahoogroups.com, "Russ" <mountainmac1@...> wrote:
>
> Just purchased a Red 2007 Reflex Sport with 4K miles on it and in
> perfect condition.
>
> Some questions;
> What is the color code for this scooter? I can't find it anywhere.
>
> Would like to put a "trunk" on it but the Givi model for this scooter
> says it will not fit the sport model....now what???
>
> And, if there is a trunk available from somewhere, are they sturdy
> enough to be used as a backrest for a passenger?
>
> Thank you very much for your time
> Russ
>
/ / / / / / / / / / / / / / / / / / / / / / / / / / / / / / / / / / / /
Color code is on a label under the seat between the battery box cover
and the seat hinge. The color for the 2007 Reflex Sport is R-258
I too have a beautiful red 2007 Reflex Sport.

Just a suggestion, but you could just remove the chrome grab rail
and its attached passenger seat back and replace it with a rear wing
from a standard Reflex. They are interchangeable and they do fit. I
know because I did that on a 2004 Reflex. Pretty sure there are holes
that need to be drilled into it to mount the case, so a cheap, but OK
used rear wing can be had if you look on craig's list or ebay. Sand
smooth any bad spots, use a scotchbrite pad to dull the sheen of the
existing paint so new paint will stick better and just use spray can
paint in the color of your choice. But, only if you feel the need to
change the color. You could just use it as is if it happens to be in
an OK accent color, and that would be the prefered way to go about it.

Sorry I don't know how well they work for back rests. I've seen some
of them with a cushion/pad, so one might assume that they would work
as they appear to be intended, but I'll let others who actually use
one to comment on that.

Mike B.

(Rochester Hills Michigan Double Dark Side Rider)
(2007 Honda NSS250S Reflex Sport "Scarlet")
(2006 Honda FSC600A Silverwing "Jester")
( Both with a car tire for the rear )
(and scooter rear tire for the front)

"Great ideas often receive violent opposition from mediocre minds." - Albert Einstein

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